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Consolidate ed-degrees pages

The degree is related to certain scales and not a concretely defined interval. The only widely recognized degree–ratio correlations are the octave (2/1), the fifth (3/2) and the fourth (4/3). All the others should be named by the exact ratio. For example, it is unclear what interval edX exactly splits. The ratio that makes the most logical sense would be either 81/32 or 5/2, yet in the article it is defined as 7/3. I suggest moving this page to ed7/3. Likewise, all the others except for edo, edt, and edf. Now I also suggest moving edf to ed3/2, since both fifth and fourth has the initial f and one cannot tell by the name if it's fifth or fourth. FloraC (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with everything except the final point. I think edf as equal divisions of the fifth is already well established (e.g. 9edf redirects to Carlos Alpha), while equal divisions of the fourth (currently in "edIV") are very scarcely used. I understand your concern when you say "one cannot tell by the name if it's fifth or fourth", but I don't think people should even guess the meaning of an acronym; they will learn that 'f' stands for "fifth", which makes sense because it is the simplest interval between 3/2 and 4/3. For that matter, some people write ed2 even though edo is relatively unambiguous, so I'd rather make it clear what edf means for those who choose to use it. --Fredg999 (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Agree with this. edIV should just be ed4/3 though. The edX page is actually so ridiculous I thought it was satirizing the wiki. - Sintel (talk) 02:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright, let's do it. FloraC (talk) 13:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

EDO tunings of some regular temperaments

Optimal ET sequence → Equal tuning (redirect) → Equal-step tuning (here)

I'd like to see a description about the benefits of tuning the temperaments to Equal-step tunings, somewhere from there to here. I feel like there was something like that somewhere.--Dummy index (talk) 14:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Bulk-editing the MMTM pages

A while back, Moremajorthanmajor made almost 500 pages for equal step tunings, which contained nothing except Infobox ET. Since then, we have marked them as stubs, but otherwise left them unchanged.

I’m thinking that I would like add ED Intro, Harmonics in Equal and Interval Table to each of those pages.

It wouldn’t fix the problem - they’d all still be stubs - but it would at least be a bit of a band aid to make the pages a bit more presentable.

If I did this, I would mark all the edits as minor, to make it easy to filter them out of recent changes.

Do you think this is a good idea, or would you rather I not do that?

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+The degree is related to certain scales and not a concretely defined interval. The only widely recognized degree–ratio correlations are the octave (2/1), the fifth (3/2) and the fourth (4/3). All the others should be named by the exact ratio. For example, it is unclear what interval edX exactly splits. The ratio that makes the most logical sense would be either 81/32 or 5/2, yet in the article it is defined as 7/3. I suggest moving this page to ed7/3. Likewise, all the others except for edo, edt, and edf. Now I also suggest moving edf to ed3/2, since both ''fifth'' and ''fourth'' has the initial ''f'' and one cannot tell by the name if it's fifth or fourth. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 23:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
-== ed7 ==
+: I agree with everything except the final point. I think [[EDF|edf]] as equal divisions of the fifth is already well established (e.g. [[9edf]] redirects to [[Carlos Alpha]]), while equal divisions of the fourth (currently in "edIV") are very scarcely used. I understand your concern when you say "one cannot tell by the name if it's fifth or fourth", but I don't think people should even guess the meaning of an acronym; they will learn that 'f' stands for "fifth", which makes sense because it is the simplest interval between 3/2 and 4/3. For that matter, some people write ed2 even though edo is relatively unambiguous, so I'd rather make it clear what edf means for those who choose to use it. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 01:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
-I created a tuning 49ed7 and  a page for ed7 tunings http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ed7 this page should be added here
-- '''jauernig''' July 20, 2016, 11:16:42 PM UTC-0700
+:: Agree with this. edIV should just be ed4/3 though. The edX page is actually so ridiculous I thought it was satirizing the wiki. - [[User:Sintel|Sintel]] ([[User talk:Sintel|talk]]) 02:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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-== Rename page ==
+::: Alright, let's do it. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
-This page is a total disaster. It should probably be deleted. At the very least, renamed. WTF is "Equal"? That's not a thing.
-- '''clumma''' March 31, 2016, 04:56:28 PM UTC-0700
+== EDO tunings of some regular temperaments ==
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-Can one of the editors of this page consider merging with EDO? Thanks.
-- '''clumma''' March 31, 2016, 04:59:50 PM UTC-0700
+Optimal ET sequence → Equal tuning (redirect) → Equal-step tuning (here)
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-Well, it should not be merged with EDO. EDO is about equal divisions of the octave, while this page is about equal divisions of arbitrary period intervals.
-It should at least contain the links to the various ED-overview pages, (EDO, EDT, EDF etc.). But the wording "equal-step tuning" is strange indeed.
+I'd like to see a description about the benefits of tuning the temperaments to Equal-step tunings, somewhere from there to here. I feel like there was something like that somewhere.--[[User:Dummy index|Dummy index]] ([[User talk:Dummy index|talk]]) 14:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
-- '''hstraub''' April 01, 2016, 09:43:59 AM UTC-0700
+== Bulk-editing the MMTM pages ==
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-== Tritaves ==
+A while back, Moremajorthanmajor made almost 500 pages for equal step tunings, which contained nothing except Infobox ET. Since then, we have marked them as stubs, but otherwise left them unchanged.
-Might I suggest we add a page for divisions of the tritave like there is the octave, or a table perhaps? There are some interesting ones I'll be adding to, and hopefully y'all as well.
-- '''Kosmorsky''' August 15, 2011, 10:23:45 PM UTC-0700
+I’m thinking that I would like add ED Intro, Harmonics in Equal and Interval Table to each of those pages.
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-I agree;  5n-edos, 6n-edos and 7n-edos are interesting with their accurate approximations to 5/4, 6/5, 7/6 etc, and it would be a shame to not have a page to showcase them.  The 5n-edos and 7n-edos are especially interesting because they can form MOS scales similar to Blackwood and Whitewood.
-- '''Sarzadoce''' August 15, 2011, 11:27:12 PM UTC-0700
+It wouldn’t fix the problem - they’d all still be stubs - but it would at least be a bit of a band aid to make the pages a bit more presentable.
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-Excuse me, I meant "edt" in place of "edo."  See?!  I've become too accustomed to the common nomenclature on the xenwiki, when there is a world to be explored beyond octaves.
-- '''Sarzadoce''' August 15, 2011, 11:28:54 PM UTC-0700
+If I did this, I would mark all the edits as minor, to make it easy to filter them out of recent changes.
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-I think I will do it right away.
-- '''hstraub''' August 15, 2011, 11:37:45 PM UTC-0700
+Do you think this is a good idea, or would you rather I not do that?
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-Good idea!
-I'm waiting for the EDT page to appear. :-)
+--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 00:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
-- '''xenwolf''' August 16, 2011, 12:31:41 AM UTC-0700
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-Done :-)
-- '''hstraub''' August 16, 2011, 12:59:13 AM UTC-0700
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-== moving edo stuff ==
-I think we should move the edo stuff to the edo page. There is also a table ;-)
-- '''xenwolf''' June 14, 2010, 11:55:11 PM UTC-0700
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-It would sure make sense to have the whole table at one place only. So we should either move the edo stuff to the edo page - or remove the edo page. The question may be raised whether the separate edo page is needed.
-- '''hstraub''' June 15, 2010, 02:44:19 AM UTC-0700
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-I'd prefer to keep the edo page the equal page should evolve into an overview.
-- '''xenwolf''' June 15, 2010, 02:47:37 AM UTC-0700
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-Alright - someone should do that then. Should I?
-- '''hstraub''' August 13, 2010, 07:19:22 AM UTC-0700
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-Good idea - I'd do the "review" then...
-- '''xenwolf''' August 15, 2010, 04:45:34 AM UTC-0700
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-== 1 to up to 4edo ==
-I know only ONE piece in 1edo by Ligeti there is only 1 tone at the end thats not an A.
-Is there anything else known in the range 1 to 4? ---  peu <small>Aug 1, 2008</small>
-- '''xenwolf''' August 01, 2008, 12:08:58 AM UTC-0700
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-It was in "Musica ricercata", maybe I find a link. ---  peu <small>Aug 1, 2008</small>
-- '''xenwolf''' August 01, 2008, 12:13:00 AM UTC-0700
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