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::: So it seems my worries were for nothing: ''z'' is a usual fricative [z] here! At [https://youtu.be/DdjGOfTnWXg?t=202 3:22] is “Joe Monzo” and at [https://youtu.be/DdjGOfTnWXg?t=4333 1:12:13] is “so he called it a monzo”. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 15:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

:@Arseniiv: The term "monzo" was named after me by Gene Ward Smith. My ancestry is Italian, in which language letters are always pronounced the same. The "z" in my name is pronounced like the"z" in "zebra". A "zz" in Italian is pronounced like "ts" in English. However, in Italian the "o"s in my name should be pronounced like all of those in "Yoko Ono", but often in America (where I live), only the final "o" is pronounced that way, the first one often pronounced like the "o" in "optic", which is basically how I pronounce it myself.

== Coping with large amounts of zeros ==

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::::::: There is already an established standard for abbreviating monzos with lots of zeros: http://www.tonalsoft.com/enc/m/monzo.aspx It was invented by George Secor and approved by Joe Monzo himself as you can see by its presence on his Tonalsoft encyclopedia, which is essentially an older (and still maintained) xenharmonic wiki. So {{monzo|-4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1}} would look like {{monzo|-4 0, , 0 0 1}}. I don't think this standard was widely adopted, but I think it's good. It's used in Sagittal materials and I use it myself. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 15:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

:::::::: Feel good for abbreviating by set of 3. But is this a standard? Following the link and link further, hmm, http://www.tonalsoft.com/enc/p/pythagorean-comma.aspx I think ''<nowiki>"If there are large gaps in the set of prime-factors, (snip)"</nowiki>'' means for example ''<nowiki>"2,3,37,73-monzo is 1, 0, 1, -1 > ."</nowiki>'' If we recommend such sentence, Infobox Interval should be able to display "'''2,19'''-monzo '''{{monzo|-4 1}}'''." Otherwise if we recommend smonzo, Infobox Interval should be able to display "Monzo '''2.19 {{monzo|-4 1}}'''." --[[User:Dummy index|Dummy index]] ([[User talk:Dummy index|talk]]) 17:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

::::::::: Ideally, our ''[[template:monzo|<code>monzo</code> template]]'' should provide more options for arguments. The current usage could be defaulted to <code>literal</code>, future parameters should include the alternative <code>fraction</code> with an optional <code>subgroup</code> parameter. If a fraction is given, it should automatically calculate the exponents. If soubgroup is present, it should display as [[smonzo]]. In my opinion, the implementation can be done in a Lua-Module, hopefully this will be possible. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I personally generally like the subgroup prefix. So 29:23 would look like [23, 29]|[-1, 1>. I've used this in my webpages about Hammond Organ Tuning and Stockhausen's Studie II. [[User:Monz|-monz]] ([[User talk:Monz|talk]]) 01:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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 ::: So it seems my worries were for nothing: ''z'' is a usual fricative [z] here! At [https://youtu.be/DdjGOfTnWXg?t=202 3:22] is “Joe Monzo” and at [https://youtu.be/DdjGOfTnWXg?t=4333 1:12:13] is “so he called it a monzo”. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 15:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
+:@Arseniiv: The term "monzo" was named after me by Gene Ward Smith. My ancestry is Italian, in which language letters are always pronounced the same. The "z" in my name is pronounced like the"z" in "zebra". A "zz" in Italian is pronounced like "ts" in English. However, in Italian the "o"s in my name should be pronounced like all of those in "Yoko Ono", but often in America (where I live), only the final "o" is pronounced that way, the first one often pronounced like the "o" in "optic", which is basically how I pronounce it myself.
 == Coping with large amounts of zeros ==
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 ::::::: There is already an established standard for abbreviating monzos with lots of zeros: http://www.tonalsoft.com/enc/m/monzo.aspx It was invented by George Secor and approved by Joe Monzo himself as you can see by its presence on his Tonalsoft encyclopedia, which is essentially an older (and still maintained) xenharmonic wiki. So {{monzo|-4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1}} would look like {{monzo|-4 0, , 0 0 1}}. I don't think this standard was widely adopted, but I think it's good. It's used in Sagittal materials and I use it myself. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 15:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
+:::::::: Feel good for abbreviating by set of 3. But is this a standard? Following the link and link further, hmm, http://www.tonalsoft.com/enc/p/pythagorean-comma.aspx I think ''<nowiki>"If there are large gaps in the set of prime-factors, (snip)"</nowiki>'' means for example ''<nowiki>"2,3,37,73-monzo is 1, 0, 1, -1 > ."</nowiki>'' If we recommend such sentence, Infobox Interval should be able to display "'''2,19'''-monzo '''{{monzo|-4 1}}'''." Otherwise if we recommend smonzo, Infobox Interval should be able to display "Monzo '''2.19 {{monzo|-4 1}}'''." --[[User:Dummy index|Dummy index]] ([[User talk:Dummy index|talk]]) 17:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
+::::::::: Ideally, our ''[[template:monzo|<code>monzo</code> template]]'' should provide more options for arguments. The current usage could be defaulted to <code>literal</code>, future parameters should include the alternative <code>fraction</code> with an optional <code>subgroup</code> parameter. If a fraction is given, it should automatically calculate the exponents. If soubgroup is present, it should display as [[smonzo]]. In my opinion, the implementation can be done in a Lua-Module, hopefully this will be possible. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
+I personally generally like the subgroup prefix. So 29:23 would look like [23, 29]|[-1, 1>. I've used this in my webpages about Hammond Organ Tuning and Stockhausen's Studie II. [[User:Monz|-monz]] ([[User talk:Monz|talk]]) 01:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)