Talk:Redbull

Theory

About this part: “Most of the notes on this scale are irrational numbers in both cent and frequency units, so Redbull cannot be reproduced with an edo. Also, since there is no interval that can be called a generator, it is also impossible to approximate Redbull with a mos scale.”

If one is expected to mainly use finite scales of this kind, then that’s not true because one doesn’t need to have one-to-one correspondence between steps of a scale and all steps of scale that tries to approximate it, so leftover steps of MOS or an edX are okay. On the other if one uses the full scale with countably many steps then this would of course be true, but using this full scale is practically impossible. So the question would be: how much is it self-evident which finite fragment suffices for a given composition task, because if it’s likely to be pretty evident, the property of not being approximable with an edo or a MOS scale would become formalistic.

Like, one can say that the golden ratio is irrational, but also it’s pretty close to, say, 34/21 for many purposes (beating of ϕ with 144/89 at ~6 kHz is seconds), and sounds very much like so—though it has its differences. (At 200 Hz, 34:55 has for me virtually all qualities of 1:ϕ sound, even 13:21 being very close in quality right after 8:13 which feels absolutely like JI, with strong locked feel.) This example went out of control because I went on investigating boundaries lol. --Arseniiv (talk) 13:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I second this point of view. Arguing on one hand that a scale can approximate JI, but on the other that no edo or MOS scale can approximate it, that's doesn't seem very coherent. It would be more relevant to provide examples of edos or mosses that have a subset which approximates this scale, including the level of accuracy this approximation provides. And then one might even ask: why approximate this scale if the goal is to approximate JI, then maybe I should just approximate JI directly then? If there is an interest in having a fractal structure (e.g. melodic or harmonic properties), then this should be explained. General properties can go on the fractal scale page, while properties specific to this scale can go on this page. --Fredg999 (talk) 20:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)