Talk:1176/1175

So, I'm proposing the name lucidorisma, after an asteroid. I know that some of you aren't a fan of how I name things. If someone of you has a better idea, just write it here :) as I already said on the Discord server, my names aren't set in stone and I'm not sad about changing this, it's just a name. Francium (talk) 21:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I've edited the page to reflect that it is just a proposal. Please don't put anything in bold in the lead section unless it is at least somewhat 'established', i.e. it is used by more than one person.

Two other points about this page:

1. What's the point of listing differences of superparticular pairs? This is kind of confusing because e.g. 81/80 is often said to be the difference between 10/9 and 9/8, even though that is not technically correct.
2. The temperament listed is, to put it mildly, of unclear relevance. I understand that in the full 47-limit 1176/1175 might be important because it is a simple superparticular. But just taking a comma's subgroup and then using only this comma as the kernel is kind of a cheap trick.

– Sintel🎏 (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I will consider it in the future. No more proposed names in the lead section.

The overall problem with the two points you mentioned, is that I use to copy the "workflow" from already existing pages, part to learn how it is done, part to blend in. If there are good pages and enough information about the subject I like to write, it's completely okay. Unfortunately there are enough pages that are edited by only one person and I tend to copy their style. E. g. most of the superparticular pages are edited by Xenllium, and I copied their style, which led to someone saying that I'm Xenllium 2.0.

1. I needed to say something about the comma. I wasn't aware that some differences between superparticular commas are technically incorrect.
2. The thing here is the lack of other temperaments tempering out this comma (yet, although nobody seems to be interested in such high-limit commas). Especially in higher limits, there seems to be no information about any established temperaments. And thus the overall problem begins again. Someone has to propose a name, the establishment of the topic is uncertain, and some may even ask why bother tempering out especially these commas nobody cares about? Then the whole point is kind of obsolete. Sorry if this got too philosophic. I'm just a random creature which knows nothing about anything but still likes to explore obscure things.

Francium (talk) 13:41, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I think Sintel's first point was that the differences are technically (mathematically) quotients. Imo difference is the better term cuz we're talking about intervals, for which the frequency ratios are but a representation.

I've set all asteroid names as placeholders in the categories. I can make that more explicit in the Temperament naming article, if we want to. FloraC (talk) 13:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately Xenllium is not really a great example to follow. Generally for commas it is helpful to note things similar to 176/175, where it says "It is the amount by which 11/7 exceeds two 5/4's stacked". These are musically relevant relations that people can understand immediately.

It is true that there is generally less interest in high-limit commas, and probably for good reasons.

Using my search tool (e.g. like this), you may find that the comma is useful for constructing higher limit extension of popular temperaments such as meantone, miracle, marvel, etc. I believe this would be of more interest to the general audience of the wiki.

EDIT: Ignore my point about differences, it's fine I just got confused.

– Sintel🎏 (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately the low interest in higher-limit commas leads me to be interested in them. But thanks for the helpful tips, I will consider them in the future. Francium (talk) 14:09, 13 April 2025 (UTC)