Talk:Schismatic family
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Move to "Schismic family"
-ismatic is non-standard for temperaments -- VectorGraphics (talk) 07:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Schismic is systematic though, and much more common. We don't say "ragismatic" or "kleismatic". And for the family of temperaments (which is only a modern xen concept derived from the historical concept of schismatic temperament), it makes sense to use the systematic name. -- VectorGraphics (talk) 21:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- It's a Greek third declension noun. This pattern is pretty common: dogma - dogmatic, drama - dramatic, trauma - traumatic. I don't care what happens with neologisms like ragismic. "Much more common" no it's not. A quick look at some literature makes this pretty clear. – Sintel🎏 (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, and how could I forget: chroma - chromatic! – Sintel🎏 (talk)
About maqamschismic
assuming that this temperament(Maqamschismic) is meant to explain how to tune Arabic Maqam, and according to the work of Erv Wilson of analysing Jins Rast and Bayati and [1]this website, a neutral third in the Jins Rast might be 27/22 and tuned a comma lower than 5/4, gives us this temperament within 2.3.5.11 subgroup. i didn't know the point of omitting 7 in this temperament, i cannot prove it but it's obvious that Jins Hijaz finds 16/15~15/14 as a augmented unison, and 7/6 as a doubly diminished fourth. Combining both gives us the tempering property exactly identical as Cassandra. And i didn't know the point of 2.3.5.11.13 Maqamschimic too. -FilterNashi (talk) 13:14, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
ok so the point is tempering 352/351 in somewhere like Jins Rast will give us more aesthetically and theoretically correct tuning, and I'm agree with that. -FilterNashi (talk) 16:17, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
- I chose the name "maqamschismic" because it is based on a chain of fifths, is supported by edos approved by maqam theorists, because it is schismic, and because I like the name. I named it a 2.3.5.13 subgroup because the schismic chain of fifths can be very easily be extended to the 2.3.5.13, so well in fact that Pythagorean tuning can be used. It is where 53edo truly shines. --Eufalesio (talk) 18:59, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I reserved maqamschismic for the 2.3.5.11.13 subgroup. Tridecaschismic it is! Either way, maqamschismic is not the best schismic tuning for maqāmāt, but it is the simplest. And for that, I think it deserves a spot.
- i actually found an extremely similar temperament before the conversation, only difference is i set 11/8 as a free generator, and it found 7 similar to garibaldi at 7-limit. then i noticed tempering out 352/351 tend to get a slightly larger fifth, and that's not so compatible with the fifth of schismatic close to just. so i gave up. -FilterNashi (talk) 02:39, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
Extensions
- Grackle
- 77 & 89 and 89 & 101e are possible alternative 13-limit extensions. I think grackle may be presented as no-13. Alternatively, since I don't see the point of grack (12 & 65), I think we can delete it and re-use the name for one of the extensions above.
- Quintaschis
- This temp has three alternating 11-limit extensions: 277d & 289, 289 & 301, and 301 & 313, with 289 & 301 being the central segment. As such, the 11-limit extension (277d & 289) should not be canon.
- For the alternative 11-limit extension, quintahelenic (301 & 313), the 13-limit extension should not be canon, as it's the other extension that is supported by the higher equal temps – but of course that one is very complex. So, I think it's best to present this extension as no-13.