User talk:Rperlner

Octatonic Groove

Hi Rperlner, welcome to the Wiki 🙂 Thanks for sharing your pieces! (the 48-EDO version makes more sense to me) Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 10:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, Everyone I've talked to seems to like the 48-EDO version better. I also have a 26 edo version I like quite a lot, which I'll get around to uploading eventually. Pleased to meet you. -- Rperlner

Scherzo in 26 EDO

Hi Ray,
your Scherzo in 26 EDO sounds great. The notation looks quite uncommon to readers of classic music but interesting. After a bit of calculation I found out that the accidentals actually cause a 1\26 shift. Notating the piece in "B" causes that no double-flats have to be used (also F# and C# would allow this). I think we should have at least one article about circle-of-fifths notation(s) in the XenWiki. Thanks for sharing. --Xenwolf (talk) 13:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
PS: the sixfold forte in the 3rd-last bar before Fine seems like a glitch to me.

I'm glad you liked my scherzo. I did indeed choose the key of B to try to minimize double accidentals. (Strictly speaking, anything can be notated without double flats, since Dx = Cbb etc. in 26 edo). Regarding circle-of-fifths notation. Is it not covered (albeit briefly) by https://en.xen.wiki/w/Alternative_symbols_for_ups_and_downs_notation ? Or did you have something more devoted specifically to the traditional usage of #s and bs in pythagorean and meantone tunings? (Note: There were a number of ETs the article claimed couldn't be notated in Musescore. I was able to confirm that they can be notated in the version of Musescore with the n-tet tuner plugin that I have, using the double sharp and double flat arrow accidentals. I removed the inaccurate sentences.) Regarding the sixfold forte. I did mean to put it in. Musescore just wouldn't play that note loud enough so I tried extreme measures. It probably shouldn't be taken as instructions to any human performers who might actually want to play it some day. --Ray

Removal

Seems that you summarized by describing what you did, unfortunately not why. Let me ask here instead: are multiple sharps and flats now possible. Where is the limit for this? --Xenwolf (talk) 20:41, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I intended to, but accidentally saved the changes before I put the comment in. These systems can be used in musescore. Musescore has double sharp, double flat, and double sharp and double flat with arrows, and was able to spot check that these work. The Musescore plugin documentation also says Musescore plugin to retune and pitch up/down notes in any EDO ranked from flat-2 to sharp-8. (Supports all EDOs from 5-72 except 59, 66, and 71. Also supports larger edos up to 117 that are rated with a sharpness of up to sharp-8). See https://github.com/euwbah/musescore-n-tet-plugins/blob/master/README.md

No need to apologize. Good to know.

Another question for refinement: Is there a way to use triple, quadruple etc. sharps and flats? I know that these are not available in classic notation but theoretically it's possible even if unusual to reach every note in higher order EDOs (above 35) entirely by stacking fifths. --Xenwolf (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any way to use triple/quadruple flats/sharps in MuseScore, and the same readme as I quoted before says: "Triple flats and sharps and not supported as MuseScore does not provide these accidentals." --Ray

Only double flats through double sharps are available as of MuseScore 3.5, whereas in edos with very flat fifth, triple or more are often required to access all the notes. As I said in Talk:Circle-of-fifths notation:

> Without higher-order sharp/flats, larger edos are very limited. 26edo, for example, requires Gx to Abb to access every note in the key of C major. Now modulate to any key with more than three accidentals and boom.

Fortunately, MuseScore 3.6 will introduce triple sharp/flats, but that still doesn't release edos as flat as 33 or 40. FloraC (talk) 05:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Just out of curiousity, will half flats/sharps with up and down arrows be added as well? Those could be quite useful. --Rperlner (talk) 02:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I think these need to be finalized first, and as it stands, things are really complicated for EDOs that don't temper out the Rastma- think 159edo, which I'm trying to come up with a good notation system for... --Aura (talk) 03:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

You said that you left a comment on Talk:Circle-of-fifths notation but I don't find it there. Maybe you only previewed it but forgot to save. --Xenwolf (talk) 06:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

It is there, in the first reply to Aura. FloraC (talk) 06:46, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@FloraC: Oh, sorry, I thought your reply was Ray's. --Xenwolf (talk) 07:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Signing contributions on talk pages

Hi Ray, as to make it easier to orientate in the contributions on talk pages, please sign your contributions with adding --~~~~ at the end. This magic sequence of 6 easy-to-type characters are automatically replaced with links to you user and talk pages and a time stamp (by both, preview and save function). It also helps to indent replies by one (further) level. This can be achieved by putting the one or more colons (:) at the beginning of the line. Thanks for your understanding. --Xenwolf (talk) 08:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)