Talk:Chromatic pairs
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Move temperament data?
It's strange that this page has a lot of temperaments that are not catalogued elsewhere. I think they should be moved to their respective (comma clan/family) page and then linked here so that this stops being a garbage can of 'temperaments not defined elsewhere'.
I'm also not really sure what the purpose of this page is because I think you can define chromatic pairs for *any* temperament.
- Sintel (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Most of these would simply go to the subgroup temperaments page, which doesn't help much. Otherwise some of them have been logged already, and we've been adding more. I agree with your second argument tho. FloraC (talk) 12:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think temperament data should only be found on appropriate pages to avoid duplicates (especially non-identical ones), even if that means moving large parts to subgroup temperaments. If that page becomes overloaded, additional pages for popular subgroups may be created. Also, I think this page is useful as a list of scales, and the lead section could be improved to emphasize the properties of MOS scales which are implied by the definition of chromatic pairs. --Fredg999 (talk) 03:45, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree that we should be consistent about the types of pages where this type of temperament data is found. And I agree that a good temporary solution would be to move the temperament data (most of this material) from here to the subgroup temperaments page. I also agree that reworking this page to focus on scales rather than temperaments would be better.
- By the way, Fredg999: in your previous reply, [[Category:Lists_of_scales|list of scales]] did not render as "list of scales" linking to that Category page; it rendered as nothing. I don't have any idea why. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Chromatic pairs or chromatic triples?
If there are three types of scale (haplotonic, albitonic and chromatic scale), should not this page be called "chromatic triples"? Also, in some temperaments, there are fourth and even fifth types of scales like "mega-albitonic" and "mega-chromatic". CompactStar (talk) 03:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
I once came up with a stricter definition that I'll propose: a pair of mosses xL ys and (x+y)L xs, such that x < y, where the two mosses combined form a child mos of (x+y)L xs, or the albitonic mos's chromatic scale: usually (x+y)L (2x+y)s or (2x+y)L (x+y)s. Basically two scales that combine to form a chromatic scale. In the case of intermediate mosses, it's usually (if xL ys is instead the albitonic mos) xL ys, xL (x+y)s (mega-albitonic), and (2x+y)L xs (chromatic). Such sequences would not fall under the strict definition described, but would fall under a less strict definition that allows for intermediate scales. Worse still, some scale sequences have more than one haplotonic scale. Ganaram inukshuk (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)