User talk:Cmloegcmluin: Difference between revisions

Line 36:

:::: It's operators like me who have an eye the wiki's recent changes, to detect spamming and vandalism early. I think it's best to resist mass stylistic polishing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with editing pages where you feel something is wrong. However, when it comes to micro-editing for the sake of "absolute perfection", albeit with the best of intentions, without actually giving others some time for feedback, you're probably going to miss neutral quality criteria, unfortunately. So no problem so far... --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

== MODMuddles and Standardization of Muddle Listings ==

Hello, we've been talking about MOSes on the discord, and I'm interested in cataloging muddles that resemble well-known MOSes. So far, I've found that my preferred preferred Ionian scale- 1/1, 9/8, 5/4, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 15/8, 2/1- which I call the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, is related to [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale|Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale]] in that they share the same three step sizes, but put two of the steps in the latter half of the scale in a different order. Because of that, I'm thinking of using the term "MODMuddle" to describe the relationship between these two [[muddle]]s. Since I'm trying to catalogue all of the good diatonic muddles at the moment, and since the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale and Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale are essentially MODMuddles of one another, I'm trying to decide which one I should use as the standard muddle.

I mean, on one hand, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, as per the name, has every scale degree in the Tonic's overtone series or undertone series and also uses two identical tetrachords just like the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale. What's more, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale actually seems to be the optimal form for the Ionian scale in terms of harmonic construction since the 27/20 wolf fourth is placed between the third and sixth scale degrees, and this has the effect of creating both a really strong VIm-IIm-VM-IM cadence and a really powerful deceptive cadence using the VIm chord, while the IVM chord is in some ways less likely to be accidentally tonicized on account of it having a more tense sound. On the other hand, Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale has been known for a really long time, even though it is the Lydian mode of this scale that is harmonically optimized rather than the Ionian mode, which is unfortunate since Ionian mode is seen as the default diatonic mode.

Any thoughts? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@@ Line 36: / Line 36: @@
 :::: It's operators like me who have an eye the wiki's recent changes, to detect spamming and vandalism early. I think it's best to resist mass stylistic polishing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with editing pages where you feel something is wrong. However, when it comes to micro-editing for the sake of "absolute perfection", albeit with the best of intentions, without actually giving others some time for feedback, you're probably going to miss neutral quality criteria, unfortunately. So no problem so far... --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
+== MODMuddles and Standardization of Muddle Listings ==
+Hello, we've been talking about MOSes on the discord, and I'm interested in cataloging muddles that resemble well-known MOSes.  So far, I've found that my preferred preferred Ionian scale- 1/1, 9/8, 5/4, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 15/8, 2/1- which I call the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, is related to [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale|Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale]] in that they share the same three step sizes, but put two of the steps in the latter half of the scale in a different order.  Because of that, I'm thinking of using the term "MODMuddle" to describe the relationship between these two [[muddle]]s.  Since I'm trying to catalogue all of the good diatonic muddles at the moment, and since the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale and Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale are essentially MODMuddles of one another, I'm trying to decide which one I should use as the standard muddle.
+I mean, on one hand, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, as per the name, has every scale degree in the Tonic's overtone series or undertone series and also uses two identical tetrachords just like the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale.  What's more, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale actually seems to be the optimal form for the Ionian scale in terms of harmonic construction since the 27/20 wolf fourth is placed between the third and sixth scale degrees, and this has the effect of creating both a really strong VIm-IIm-VM-IM cadence and a really powerful deceptive cadence using the VIm chord, while the IVM chord is in some ways less likely to be accidentally tonicized on account of it having a more tense sound.  On the other hand, Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale has been known for a really long time, even though it is the Lydian mode of this scale that is harmonically optimized rather than the Ionian mode, which is unfortunate since Ionian mode is seen as the default diatonic mode.
+Any thoughts? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)