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25EDO divides the [[Octave|octave]] in 25 equal steps of exact size 48 [[cent|cent]]s each. It is a good way to tune the [[Blackwood_temperament|Blackwood temperament]], which takes the very sharp fifths of [[5edo|5EDO]] as a given, tempers out 28/27 and 49/48, and attempts to optimize the tunings for 5 ([[5/4|5/4]]) and 7 ([[7/4|7/4]]). It also tunes sixix temperament with a sharp fifth. It supplies the optimal patent val for the 11-limit 6&25 temperament tempering out 49/48, 77/75 and 605/576, and the 13-limit extension also tempering out 66/65. | 25EDO divides the [[Octave|octave]] in 25 equal steps of exact size 48 [[cent|cent]]s each. It is a good way to tune the [[Blackwood_temperament|Blackwood temperament]], which takes the very sharp fifths of [[5edo|5EDO]] as a given, tempers out 28/27 and 49/48, and attempts to optimize the tunings for 5 ([[5/4|5/4]]) and 7 ([[7/4|7/4]]). It also tunes sixix temperament with a sharp fifth. It supplies the optimal patent val for the 11-limit 6&25 temperament tempering out 49/48, 77/75 and 605/576, and the 13-limit extension also tempering out 66/65. | ||
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If 5/4 and 7/4 aren't good enough, it also does 17/16 and 19/16, just like 12EDO. In fact, on the [[k*N_subgroups|2*25 subgroup]] 2.9.5.7.33.39.17.19 it provides the same tuning and tempers out the same commas as 50et, which makes for a wide range of harmony. | If 5/4 and 7/4 aren't good enough, it also does 17/16 and 19/16, just like 12EDO. In fact, on the [[k*N_subgroups|2*25 subgroup]] 2.9.5.7.33.39.17.19 it provides the same tuning and tempers out the same commas as 50et, which makes for a wide range of harmony. | ||
=Intervals= | =Intervals= | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^1, ^m2 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^1, ^m2 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | up 1sn, upminor 2nd | | style="text-align:center;" | up 1sn, upminor 2nd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | D^ | | style="text-align:center;" | ^D, ^Eb | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 2 | | style="text-align:center;" | 2 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^^m2 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^m2 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 2nd | | style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 2nd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^Eb | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 3 | | style="text-align:center;" | 3 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vvM2 | | style="text-align:center;" | vvM2 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 2nd | | style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 2nd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vvE | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 4 | | style="text-align:center;" | 4 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vM2 | | style="text-align:center;" | vM2 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | downmajor 2nd | | style="text-align:center;" | downmajor 2nd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vE | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 5· | | style="text-align:center;" | 5· | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^m3 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^m3 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | upminor 3rd | | style="text-align:center;" | upminor 3rd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | F | | style="text-align:center;" | ^F | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 7 | | style="text-align:center;" | 7 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^^m3 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^m3 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 3rd | | style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 3rd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^F | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 8· | | style="text-align:center;" | 8· | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vvM3 | | style="text-align:center;" | vvM3 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 3rd | | style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 3rd | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vvF# | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 9 | | style="text-align:center;" | 9 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vM3 | | style="text-align:center;" | vM3 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | downmajor | | style="text-align:center;" | downmajor | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vF# | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 10 | | style="text-align:center;" | 10 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^4 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^4 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | up 4th | | style="text-align:center;" | up 4th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | G | | style="text-align:center;" | ^G | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 12 | | style="text-align:center;" | 12 | ||
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double-up dim 5th | double-up dim 5th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^G, ^^Ab | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 13 | | style="text-align:center;" | 13 | ||
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double-down 5th | double-down 5th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vvG#, vvA | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 14· | | style="text-align:center;" | 14· | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | v5 | | style="text-align:center;" | v5 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | down 5th | | style="text-align:center;" | down 5th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vA | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 15 | | style="text-align:center;" | 15 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^m6 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^m6 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | upminor 6th | | style="text-align:center;" | upminor 6th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | Bb | | style="text-align:center;" | ^Bb | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 17· | | style="text-align:center;" | 17· | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^^m6 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^m6 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 6th | | style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 6th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^Bb | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 18 | | style="text-align:center;" | 18 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vvM6 | | style="text-align:center;" | vvM6 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 6th | | style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 6th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vvB | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 19 | | style="text-align:center;" | 19 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vM6 | | style="text-align:center;" | vM6 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | downmajor 6th | | style="text-align:center;" | downmajor 6th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vB | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 20· | | style="text-align:center;" | 20· | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^m7 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^m7 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | upminor 7th | | style="text-align:center;" | upminor 7th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | C | | style="text-align:center;" | ^C | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 22 | | style="text-align:center;" | 22 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | ^^m7 | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^m7 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 7th | | style="text-align:center;" | double-upminor 7th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | ^^C | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 23 | | style="text-align:center;" | 23 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vvM7 | | style="text-align:center;" | vvM7 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 7th | | style="text-align:center;" | double-downmajor 7th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vvC# | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 24 | | style="text-align:center;" | 24 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | vM7 | | style="text-align:center;" | vM7 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | downmajor 7th | | style="text-align:center;" | downmajor 7th | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | vC# | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 25 | | style="text-align:center;" | 25 | ||
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=Commas= | =Commas= | ||
25 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < 25 40 58 70 86 93 |.) | 25 EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val < 25 40 58 70 86 93 |.) | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
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! | | ! | [[Ratio]] | ||
! | Monzo | ! | [[Monzo]] | ||
! | | ! | [[Cents]] | ||
![[Color notation/Temperament Names|Color Name]] | |||
! | Name 1 | ! | Name 1 | ||
! | Name 2 | ! | Name 2 | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 8 -5 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 8 -5 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 90.22 | | style="text-align:right;" | 90.22 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Sawa | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Limma | | style="text-align:center;" | Limma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | Pythagorean Minor 2nd | | style="text-align:center;" | Pythagorean Minor 2nd | ||
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| |<nowiki> | -10 -1 5 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -10 -1 5 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 29.61 | | style="text-align:right;" | 29.61 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Laquinyo | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Small Diesis | | style="text-align:center;" | Small Diesis | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | Magic Comma | | style="text-align:center;" | Magic Comma | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 38 -2 -15 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 38 -2 -15 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 1.38 | | style="text-align:right;" | 1.38 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Sasa-quintrigu | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Hemithirds Comma | | style="text-align:center;" | Hemithirds Comma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | -14 0 0 5 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -14 0 0 5 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 44.13 | | style="text-align:right;" | 44.13 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Laquinzo | |||
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| |<nowiki> | -4 -1 0 2 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -4 -1 0 2 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 35.70 | | style="text-align:right;" | 35.70 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Zozo | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Slendro Diesis | | style="text-align:center;" | Slendro Diesis | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 6 -2 0 -1 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 6 -2 0 -1 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 27.26 | | style="text-align:right;" | 27.26 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Ru | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Septimal Comma | | style="text-align:center;" | Septimal Comma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | Archytas' Comma | | style="text-align:center;" | Archytas' Comma | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 0 -2 5 -3 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 0 -2 5 -3 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 21.18 | | style="text-align:right;" | 21.18 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Triru-aquinyo | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Gariboh | | style="text-align:center;" | Gariboh | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | -4 1 -5 5 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -4 1 -5 5 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 14.52 | | style="text-align:right;" | 14.52 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Quinzogu | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Trimyna | | style="text-align:center;" | Trimyna | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | -10 1 0 3 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -10 1 0 3 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 8.43 | | style="text-align:right;" | 8.43 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Latrizo | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Gamelisma | | style="text-align:center;" | Gamelisma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 6 0 -5 2 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 6 0 -5 2 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 6.08 | | style="text-align:right;" | 6.08 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Zozoquingu | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Hemimean | | style="text-align:center;" | Hemimean | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | -16 1 5 1 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -16 1 5 1 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 2.35 | | style="text-align:right;" | 2.35 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Lazoquinyo | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Horwell | | style="text-align:center;" | Horwell | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 2 -2 2 0 -1 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 2 -2 2 0 -1 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 17.40 | | style="text-align:right;" | 17.40 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Luyoyo | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Ptolemisma | | style="text-align:center;" | Ptolemisma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 4 0 -2 -1 1 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 4 0 -2 -1 1 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 9.86 | | style="text-align:right;" | 9.86 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Lorugugu | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Valinorsma | | style="text-align:center;" | Valinorsma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 19.13 | | style="text-align:right;" | 19.13 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Thozogu | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Superleap | | style="text-align:center;" | Superleap | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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| |<nowiki> | 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 </nowiki>> | | |<nowiki> | 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 </nowiki>> | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 2.56 | | style="text-align:right;" | 2.56 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" |Bithogu | |||
| style="text-align:center;" | Parizeksma | | style="text-align:center;" | Parizeksma | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | | | style="text-align:center;" | | ||
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=A 25edo keyboard= | =A 25edo keyboard= | ||
[[File:mm25.PNG|alt=mm25.PNG|mm25.PNG]] | [[File:mm25.PNG|alt=mm25.PNG|mm25.PNG]] | ||
=Music= | |||
''[http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Rapoport/StudyInFives.mp3 Study in Fives]'' by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29 Paul Rapoport] | |||
[http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=2377 Fantasy for Piano in 25 Note per Octave Tuning] ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/25edo/fantasy_for_piano_in_25_edo.mp3 play]'' by Chris Vaisvil | |||
''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Fiale/flat%20fourth%20blues.mp3 Flat fourth blues]'' by Fabrizio Fulvio Fausto Fiale | |||
[[File:25edochorale.mid]] [[:File:25edochorale.mid|25edochorale.mid]] Peter Kosmorsky (10/14/10, 2.5.7 subgroup, a friend responded "The <span style="">25edo</span> canon has a nice theme, but all the harmonizations from there are laughably dissonant. I showed them to my roomie and he found it disturbing, hahaha. He had an unintentional physical reaction to it with his mouth in which his muscles did a smirk sort of thing, without him even trying to, hahaha. So, my point; this I think this 25 edo idea was an example of where tonal thinking doesn't suit the sound of the scale.") | |||
[[File:25_edo_prelude_largo.mid]] [[:File:25_edo_prelude_largo.mid|25 edo prelude largo.mid]] Peter Kosmorsky (2011, Blackwood) | |||
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