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== Definition ==
== Definition ==
[[Color notation]] can name every regular temperament. The name is the same as that of the comma(s) tempered out, but without the degree (unison, 2nd, etc.). For example, Semaphore is the Zozo temperament. The name of the temperament and the comma is always capitalized, to distinguish it from the color. Thus zozo refers to all zozo ratios, whereas Zozo refers to one specific zozo ratio, the zozo 2nd = zz2 = 49/48.   
[[Color notation]] can name every regular temperament. The name is the same as that of the comma(s) tempered out, but without the degree (unison, 2nd, etc.). For example, Semaphore is the Zozo temperament. The name of the temperament and the comma is always capitalized, to distinguish it from the color. Thus zozo refers to all zozo ratios, whereas Zozo refers to one specific zozo ratio, the zozo 2nd 49/48.   


The color defines a lattice row, and the magnitude (large, small, etc.) defines a '''segment''' of that row. A name without a magnitude, like Zozo, refers to the central segment. Each segment contains 7 ratios. The comma that is tempered out is the smallest in cents of those 7.  
The color defines a lattice row, and the magnitude (large, small, etc.) defines a '''segment''' of that row. A name without a magnitude, like Zozo, refers to the central segment. Each segment contains 7 ratios. The comma that is tempered out is the smallest in cents of those 7.


Words like large, small, double, etc. are abbreviated, to make the names a reasonable length.
Words like large, small, double, etc. are abbreviated, to make the names a reasonable length.
* Double = '''bi-''' ("bee"), triple = '''tri-''' ("tree"), quadruple = '''quad-''', quintuple = '''quin-''', septuple = '''sep-'''  
* Double = '''bi-''' ("bee"), triple = '''tri-''' ("tree"), quadruple = '''quad-''', quintuple = '''quin-''', septuple = '''sep-'''  
* '''-bi''' or '''-tri''' at the end of a name indicates that the comma is the 2nd or 3rd largest ratio in that segment, e.g. Mavila = Layobi   
* '''-bi''' or '''-tri''' at the end of a name indicates that the comma is the 2nd or 3rd largest ratio in that segment, e.g. [[Mavila]] = Layobi   
* Large = '''la-''', small = '''sa-''', double large = lala-, triple small = trisa-, etc.
* Large = '''la-''', small = '''sa-''', double large = lala-, triple small = trisa-, etc.
Some 5-limit examples, sorted by color depth. Many more examples can be found on the comma pages [[Comma|here]], [[Medium commas|here]], [[Large commas|here]] and [[Unnoticeable comma|here]].
Any comma smaller than 256/243 = 90¢ is guaranteed to be the smallest ratio in its segment, and a -bi or -tri suffix is rarely needed. Some 5-limit examples, sorted by color depth. Many more examples can be found on the comma pages [[Comma|here]], [[Medium commas|here]], [[Large commas|here]] and [[Unnoticeable comma|here]].
# [[Schismatic]] = Layo, [[Mavila]] = Layobi, [[Superpyth]] = Sayo, [[Meantone]] = Gu, [[Father]] = Gubi.
# [[Schismatic]] = Layo, [[Mavila]] = Layobi, [[Superpyth]] = Sayo, [[Meantone]] = Gu, [[Father]] = Gubi.
# [[Dicot]] = Yoyo, [[Immunity family|Immunity]] = Sasa-yoyo, [[Bug]] = Gugu, [[Diaschismic]] = Sagugu = sggT, [[Beatles]] = Sasa-gugu.
# [[Dicot]] = Yoyo, [[Immunity family|Immunity]] = Sasa-yoyo, [[Bug]] = Gugu, [[Diaschismic]] = Sagugu = sggT, [[Beatles]] = Sasa-gugu.
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Multipliers like bi-, tri-, etc. can be combined: 6-fold = tribi-, 8-fold = quadbi-, 9-fold = tritri-, 10-fold = quinbi-, 12-fold = quadtri-, 14-fold = sepbi-, 15-fold = quintri-, 16-fold = quadquad-, etc. Higher primes use their color word, but with the suffix '''-e''' ("eh") for exponent:  
Multipliers like bi-, tri-, etc. can be combined: 6-fold = tribi-, 8-fold = quadbi-, 9-fold = tritri-, 10-fold = quinbi-, 12-fold = quadtri-, 14-fold = sepbi-, 15-fold = quintri-, 16-fold = quadquad-, etc. Higher primes use their color word, but with the suffix '''-e''' ("eh") for exponent:  
* 11-fold = '''le-''' (as in "<u>le</u>gitimate"), 13-fold = '''the-''' (as in "<u>the</u>saurus"). 17 = '''se-''', 19 = '''ne-''', 23 = '''twenty-the-''', 29 = '''twenty-ne-''', etc.
* 11-fold = '''le-''' (as in "<u>le</u>gitimate"), 13-fold = '''the-''' (as in "<u>the</u>saurus"). 17 = '''se-''', 19 = '''ne-''', 23 = '''twenty-the-''', 29 = '''twenty-ne-''', etc.
Note that sep- means 7-fold, while se- means 17-fold. Multipliers affect all subsequent syllables until the '''-a-''' delimiter occurs: Trizogu = z<sup>3</sup>g<sup>3</sup> and Trizo-agu = z<sup>3</sup>g. The "a" in la and sa acts as a delimiter: Trilayo = L<sup>3</sup>y and Trila-triyo = L<sup>3</sup>y<sup>3</sup>. More examples of temperaments: 
Note that sep- means 7-fold, while se- means 17-fold. Multipliers affect all subsequent syllables until the '''-a-''' delimiter occurs: Trizogu = z<sup>3</sup>g<sup>3</sup> and Trizo-agu = z<sup>3</sup>g. The "a" in la and sa acts as a delimiter: Trilayo = L<sup>3</sup>y, not L<sup>3</sup>y<sup>3</sup>, which would be Trila-triyo.  
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of single-comma rank two temperaments with Color names]] 
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of seven-limit rank two temperaments with Color names]] 
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of eleven-limit rank two temperaments with Color names]]
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of thirteen-limit rank two temperaments with Color names]] (coming soon)
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of eleven-limit rank three temperaments with Color names]]
To make the names easier for non-Anglophones, and to make the names quicker to say, the 5 vowels are the basic vowels found in Spanish, ah-eh-ee-oh-oo. Quin is an exception. Quad may optionally be spoken as "kwah", and quin as "kwee" or "keen". In Spanish and many other languages, "th" would become "tr". See [[Color notation/Translations|Color Notation/Translations]]. Number words like bi or tri are always unaccented. To emphasize the prime limit, the first occurrence of the highest prime is always accented: sasa-'''gu'''gu, bi'''ru'''yo, bi'''zo'''zogu. In longer names, the 1st occurrence of sa/la and/or of lower primes may also be accented: '''sa'''sa-'''gu'''gu, '''zo'''zotri'''gu'''.  


Hyphens are used to make the name easier to parse. There are strict rules for hyphenation, to ensure uniformity. Hyphens are inserted before every -a- delimiter and after the magnitude (after the final la- or sa-). However, the hyphen after the magnitude is omitted if it would create a subunit of 1 syllable. Thus Layo, Lalagu and Sagugu are unhyphenated.
To make the names easier for non-Anglophones, and to make the names quicker to say, the 5 vowels are the basic vowels found in Spanish, ah-eh-ee-oh-oo. Quin is an exception. Quad may optionally be spoken as "kwah", and quin as "kwee" or "keen". In Spanish and many other languages, "th" would become "tr". See [[Color notation/Translations|Color Notation/Translations]]. Multiplier words like bi or tri are always unaccented. To emphasize the prime limit, the first occurrence of the highest prime is always accented: sasa-'''gu'''gu, bi'''r<u>u</u>'''yo, bi'''<u>zo</u>'''zogu. In longer names, the 1st occurrence of sa/la and/or of lower primes may also be accented: '''sa'''sa-'''gu'''gu, '''zo'''zotri'''gu'''.  


Any comma smaller than 256/243 = 90¢ is guaranteed to be the smallest ratio in its segment. Any comma bigger than 9/8 = 204¢ is guaranteed to <u>not</u> be the smallest, and -bi or -tri must be appended to the name. If a comma is 90-204¢, let S = the sum of all the numbers in the monzo except the first one. If and only if S mod 7 is 4 or 5, 256/243 can be subtracted without changing the magnitude, and the comma is the 2nd smallest ratio. Any 204-294¢ comma is -bi, and any 408-498¢ comma is -tri.  
Hyphens are used to make the name easier to parse. There are strict rules for hyphenation, to ensure uniformity.
* Put a hyphen before every -a- delimiter
* Put a hyphen before and after every "twenty", "thirty", "forty", etc.
* Put a hyphen after the magnitude (after the final la- or sa-)
The hyphen after the magnitude is omitted if it would create a subunit of 1 syllable. Thus Layo, Lalagu and Sagugu are all unhyphenated. However, the 2nd rule always holds, e.g. 736/729 is Sa-twenty-tho.


Sometimes the smallest ratio in a segment is a multiple of another comma. For example, the smallest ratio in the central segment of the zozogugu row is 441/400. But since this is (21/20)<sup>2</sup>, tempering it out would simply result in the Zogu temperament. Thus there is no Bizogu temperament, although there is a Bizogubi one.
Sometimes the smallest ratio in a segment is some other comma raised to some power. For example, the smallest ratio in the central segment of the zozogugu row is 441/400. But since this is (21/20)<sup>2</sup>, tempering it out would simply result in the Zogu temperament. Thus there is no Bizogu temperament, although there is a Bizogubi one.  


La means both large and 11-all, and sa means both small and 17-all. To avoid confusion, large and small should never be abbreviated unless part of a longer word. La is also the La note in solfege, and Sa is the tonic in saregam. The meaning will always be clear from context. Notes are never large or small, only intervals are.
La means both large and 11-all, and sa means both small and 17-all. To avoid confusion, large and small should never be abbreviated unless part of a longer word. La is also the La note in solfege, and Sa is the tonic in saregam. The meaning will always be clear from context. Notes are never large or small, only intervals are.
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Temperaments can be abbreviated using "T": Zozo = zzT, Triyo = y<sup>3</sup>T, Gu & Rugu = g&rgT, Layobi = Ly#2T, Gu + zala = g+z1aT, and Biruyo nowa is rryy-wT.  
Temperaments can be abbreviated using "T": Zozo = zzT, Triyo = y<sup>3</sup>T, Gu & Rugu = g&rgT, Layobi = Ly#2T, Gu + zala = g+z1aT, and Biruyo nowa is rryy-wT.  


More examples of temperaments:
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of single-comma rank two temperaments with Color names]] 
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of seven-limit rank two temperaments with Color names]] 
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of eleven-limit rank two temperaments with Color names]]
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of thirteen-limit rank two temperaments with Color names]] (coming soon)
* [[User:TallKite/Catalog of eleven-limit rank three temperaments with Color names]]
== Finding the comma from the name and vice versa ==
== Finding the comma from the name and vice versa ==
Every ratio can be named either as a standard interval or as a comma/temperament, e.g. 128/125 is both the trigu 2nd and the Trigu comma. The latter is awkward for low-odd-limit ratios: 5/4 would be the Yobi "comma" and 6/5 would be the Gutri "comma". But the former is awkward for high odd-limit ratios, because there will be many 2nds and 3rds and even 4ths, and many of them will be negative. Unfortunately this makes identifying the comma a little more work.  
Every ratio can be named either as a standard interval or as a comma/temperament, e.g. 128/125 is both the trigu 2nd and the Trigu comma. The latter is awkward for low-odd-limit ratios: 5/4 would be the Yobi "comma" and 6/5 would be the Gutri "comma". But the former is awkward for high odd-limit ratios, because there will be many 2nds and 3rds and even 4ths, and many of them will be negative. So the latter name is used for commas, for brevity. Unfortunately, this makes identifying the comma from the name a little more work.  


It's fairly easy to find the color name for a temperament. If the comma is < 90¢, the name can be found directly from the monzo. The color is obvious. The magnitude is the sum of all the exponents except the 2-exponent, divided by 7 and rounded off.
First find the ratio of the midpoint of the segment. For this ratio, the sum of all the monzo exponents except the 2-exponent is a multiple of 7. For example, the gu midpoint is 6/5, and the sayoyo midpoint is (10 -9 2). Then find the cents of this ratio, and use this chart, which is based on the 3-limit Dorian scale:  
 
To find the comma from the color name, first find the ratio of the midpoint of the segment, which has a 3-exponent that is a multiple of 7. Then find the cents of this ratio, and use this chart, which is based on the 3-limit Dorian scale:
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|+
|+
!If the midpoint ratio is
! rowspan="2" |If the midpoint
!do this to the 3-exponent
ratio is
! colspan="3" |do this to the 3-exponent
|-
!if no suffix
!if "-bi" suffix
!if "-tri" suffix
|-
|-
|0-204¢
|0-204¢
|nothing
|nothing
|add 2
|subtract 3
|-
|-
|204-294¢
|204-294¢
|subtract 2
|subtract 2
|nothing
|add 2
|-
|-
|294-498¢
|294-498¢
|add 3
|add 3
|subtract 2
|nothing
|-
|-
|498-702¢
|498-702¢
|add 1
|add 1
|add 3
|subtract 2
|-
|-
|702-906¢
|702-906¢
|subtract 1
|subtract 1
|add 1
|add 3
|-
|-
|906-996¢
|906-996¢
|subtract 3
|subtract 3
|subtract 1
|add 1
|-
|-
|996-1200¢
|996-1200¢
|add 2
|add 2
|subtract 3
|subtract 1
|}
It's fairly easy to find the color name from the comma. The color is obvious from the monzo. Let S be the sum of all the monzo exponents except the 2-exponent. The magnitude is S divided by 7 and rounded off. The color and the magnitude define the segment.
Any comma smaller than 256/243 = 90¢ is guaranteed to be the smallest ratio in its segment. Any comma larger than 9/8 = 204¢ is guaranteed to <u>not</u> be the smallest, and -bi or -tri must be appended to the name. If a comma is 90-204¢, and If and only if S mod 7 is 4 or 5, 256/243 can be subtracted without changing the magnitude, and the comma is the 2nd smallest ratio. Any 204-294¢ comma is -bi, and any 408-498¢ comma is -tri. 
{| class="wikitable"
|+
! rowspan="2" |if the
comma is
! colspan="7" |and if S mod 7 is
|-
!0
!1
!2
!3
!4
!5
!6
|-
|0-90¢
| --
| --
| --
| --
| --
| --
| --
|-
|90-204¢
| --
| --
| --
| --
| -bi
| -bi
| --
|-
|204-294¢
| -bi
| -bi
| -bi
| -bi
| -bi
| -bi
| -bi
|-
|294-408¢
| -tri
| -bi
| -bi
| -bi
| -tri
| -tri
| -tri
|-
|408-498¢
| -tri
| -tri
| -tri
| -tri
| -tri
| -tri
| -tri
|}
|}


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=== Issues ===
=== Issues ===
NAMING PROBLEM:
SUBGROUP PROBLEM:


Yaza Lasepyo sounds too much like yazala Sepyo. Possible solutions:
Yaza Lasepyo sounds too much like yazala Sepyo. Possible solutions:
* Put the subgroup last: Lasepyo yaza
* Put the subgroup last: Lasepyo yaza
* Add a consonant to the subgroup word: yazap Lasepyo
* Add a consonant to the subgroup word: yazap Lasepyo
* Add another word: Lasepyo on yaza, or yaza-ish lasepyo
* Add another word: Lasepyo on yaza, or yaza-ish Lasepyo
Eliding the final -a ("yaz' Lasepyo") won't always work, yazal' Lasepyo sounds too much like yaza Lasepyo.
 
EDO PROBLEM:
EDO PROBLEM: