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'''Unnoticeable commas''' are very small intervals. These commas are called "unnoticeable" because, being equal to or less than 3.5 cents, they are smaller than the average peak [http://musictheory.zentral.zone/huntsystem2.html#2 JND] (just-noticeable difference) of human pitch perception, as illustrated by the research of [[Aaron_Andrew_Hunt|Aaron Andrew Hunt]]. It is improbable that even a trained listener would be able to notice these intervals, and as such they a prime target for psychoacoustically informed [[Microtempering|microtempering]].
'''Unnoticeable commas''' are very small intervals. These commas are called "unnoticeable" because, being equal to or less than 3.5 cents, they are smaller than the average peak [http://musictheory.zentral.zone/huntsystem2.html#2 JND] (just-noticeable difference) of human pitch perception, as illustrated by the research of [[Aaron_Andrew_Hunt|Aaron Andrew Hunt]]. It is improbable that even a trained listener would be able to notice these intervals, and as such they a prime target for psychoacoustically informed [[Microtempering|microtempering]].


Due to the wide range of sizes, cents values here and on the other commas pages are listed to 5 significant digits, instead of to a fixed number of decimal places as is the [[conventions|convention]] elsewhere on the wiki.
For commas over 100 cents in size, see [[Large commas]]; and for commas over 3.5 cents in size, see [[Comma|Commas]].
 
Due to the wide range of sizes, cents values here and on the other commas pages are listed to 5 significant digits, instead of to a fixed number of decimal places as is the [[conventions|convention]] elsewhere on the wiki. Except for the 3-limit commas, the [[Color notation|color name]] refers to both the comma and the temperament created when it is tempered out.


== 3-limit commas ==
== 3-limit commas ==
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|-
! Name(s)
! Name(s)
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| Sasktel comma, 51-Pythagorean comma
| Sasktel comma, 51-Pythagorean comma
|wa-306 comma
|   
|   
| {{Monzo|485 -306}}
| {{Monzo|485 -306}}
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|-
| [[Satanic comma]]
| [[Satanic comma]]
|wa-665 comma
|
|
| {{Monzo|-1054 665}}
| {{Monzo|-1054 665}}
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|-
! Name(s)
! Name(s)
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| dodifo
| dodifo
|quadla-sepquinyo
|   
|   
| {{Monzo|-67 -9 35}}
| {{Monzo|-67 -9 35}}
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|-
| [[vishnuzma]], semisuper
| [[vishnuzma]], semisuper
| sasepbigu
| 6115295232 / 6103515625
| 6115295232 / 6103515625
| {{Monzo|23 6 -14}}
| {{Monzo|23 6 -14}}
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|-
| [[enneadeca]], 19-tone-comma
| [[enneadeca]], 19-tone-comma
| neyo
| 19073486328125 / 19042491875328
| 19073486328125 / 19042491875328
| {{Monzo|-14 -19 19}}
| {{Monzo|-14 -19 19}}
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|-
| vavoom
| vavoom
| quinla-seyo
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-68 18 17}}
| {{Monzo|-68 18 17}}
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|-
| tricot comma
| tricot comma
| quadsa-triyo
| 68719476736000 / 68630377364883
| 68719476736000 / 68630377364883
| {{Monzo|39 -29 3}}
| {{Monzo|39 -29 3}}
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|-
| schisma
| schisma
| layo
| 32805 / 32768
| 32805 / 32768
| {{Monzo|-15 8 1}}
| {{Monzo|-15 8 1}}
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|-
| counterschisma
| counterschisma
| tribilagu
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-69 45 -1}}
| {{Monzo|-69 45 -1}}
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|-
| septendecima
| septendecima
| lala-sebiyo
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-52 -17 34}}
| {{Monzo|-52 -17 34}}
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|-
| hemithirds comma, lunama
| hemithirds comma, lunama
| sasa-quintrigu
| 274877906944 / 274658203125
| 274877906944 / 274658203125
| {{Monzo|38 -2 -15}}
| {{Monzo|38 -2 -15}}
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|-
| minortonic comma
| minortonic comma
| trila-segu
| 50031545098999707 / 50000000000000000
| 50031545098999707 / 50000000000000000
| {{Monzo|-16 35 -17}}
| {{Monzo|-16 35 -17}}
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|-
| [[ennealimmal]]
| [[ennealimmal]]
| satritribiyo
| 7629394531250 / 7625597484987
| 7629394531250 / 7625597484987
| {{Monzo|1 -27 18}}
| {{Monzo|1 -27 18}}
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|-
| astro
| astro
|tribisa-thirty-wegu
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|91 -12 -31}}
| {{Monzo|91 -12 -31}}
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|-
| kwazy
| kwazy
| quadla-quadquadyo
| 9010162353515625 / 9007199254740992  
| 9010162353515625 / 9007199254740992  
| {{Monzo|-53 10 16}}
| {{Monzo|-53 10 16}}
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|-
| whoosh
| whoosh
| saletrigu
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|37 25 -33}}
| {{Monzo|37 25 -33}}
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|-
| egads
| egads
| setriyo
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-36 -52 51}}
| {{Monzo|-36 -52 51}}
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|-
| [[Very high accuracy temperaments|monzisma]]
| [[Very high accuracy temperaments|monzisma]]
| quinsa-yoyo
| 450359962737049600 / 450283905890997363
| 450359962737049600 / 450283905890997363
| {{Monzo|54 -37 2}}
| {{Monzo|54 -37 2}}
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|-
| fortune
| fortune
| tritrila-sepbiyo
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-107 47 14}}
| {{Monzo|-107 47 14}}
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|-
| gross
| gross
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|144 -22 -47}}
| {{Monzo|144 -22 -47}}
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|-
| senior
| senior
| quadla-sepquingu
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-17 62 -35}}
| {{Monzo|-17 62 -35}}
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|-
| 665&3684 comma
| 665&3684 comma
| quintritrlayo
|
|
| {{Monzo|-500 314 1}}
| {{Monzo|-500 314 1}}
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|-
| raider
| raider
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|71 -99 37}}
| {{Monzo|71 -99 37}}
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|-
| pirate
| pirate
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-90 -15 49}}
| {{Monzo|-90 -15 49}}
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|-
| viking
| viking
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-251 69 61}}
| {{Monzo|-251 69 61}}
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|-
| [[Kirnberger's atom]]
| [[Kirnberger's atom]]
| sepbisa-quadtrigu
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|161 -84 -12}}
| {{Monzo|161 -84 -12}}
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|-
| selenia
| selenia
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-433 -137 280}}
| {{Monzo|-433 -137 280}}
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| titania
| titania
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|2746 -521 -827}}
| {{Monzo|2746 -521 -827}}
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|-
| quark
| quark
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-573 237 85}}
| {{Monzo|-573 237 85}}
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|-
| scamp
| scamp
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-5836 4293 -417}}
| {{Monzo|-5836 4293 -417}}
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|-
| rover
| rover
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|1634 1502 -1729}}
| {{Monzo|1634 1502 -1729}}
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|-
| rascal
| rascal
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-7470 2791 1312}}
| {{Monzo|-7470 2791 1312}}
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|-
! Name(s)
! Name(s)
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| 44-septimal comma
| 44-septimal comma
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-263 88 0 44}}
| {{Monzo|-263 88 0 44}}
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|-
| 571-7-comma
| 571-7-comma
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|1603 0 0 -571}}
| {{Monzo|1603 0 0 -571}}
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|-
| horwell
| horwell
| lazoquinyo
| 65625 / 65536
| 65625 / 65536
| {{Monzo|-16 1 5 1}}
| {{Monzo|-16 1 5 1}}
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|-
| meter
| meter
| latriruasepyo
| 703125 / 702464
| 703125 / 702464
| {{Monzo|-11 2 7 -3}}
| {{Monzo|-11 2 7 -3}}
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|-
| wizma
| wizma
| quinzoayoyo
| 420175 / 419904
| 420175 / 419904
| {{Monzo|-6 -8 2 5}}
| {{Monzo|-6 -8 2 5}}
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|-
| breedsma
| breedsma
| bizozogu
| [[2401/2400|2401 / 2400]]
| [[2401/2400|2401 / 2400]]
| {{Monzo|-5 -1 -2 4}}
| {{Monzo|-5 -1 -2 4}}
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|-
| ragisma
| ragisma
| zoquadyo
| 4375 / 4374
| 4375 / 4374
| {{Monzo|-1 -7 4 1}}
| {{Monzo|-1 -7 4 1}}
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|-
| akjaysma, 5\7 octave comma
| akjaysma, 5\7 octave comma
| trisa-sepruyo
| 140737488355328 / 140710042265625
| 140737488355328 / 140710042265625
| {{Monzo|47 -7 -7 -7}}
| {{Monzo|47 -7 -7 -7}}
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|-
| landscape
| landscape
| trizogugu
| 250047 / 250000
| 250047 / 250000
| {{Monzo|-4 6 -6 3}}
| {{Monzo|-4 6 -6 3}}
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|-
| nanisma
| nanisma
| quinbisaru
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|109 -67 0 -1}}
| {{Monzo|109 -67 0 -1}}
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|-
| 171&1547&3125 comma
| 171&1547&3125 comma
| laleruyo
| 3955078125/3954653486
| 3955078125/3954653486
| {{Monzo|-1 4 11 -11}}
| {{Monzo|-1 4 11 -11}}
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|-
| starscape
| starscape
| latritriruayo
| 645700815 / 645657712
| 645700815 / 645657712
| {{Monzo|-4 17 1 -9}}
| {{Monzo|-4 17 1 -9}}
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|-
| 12&53&612 comma
| 12&53&612 comma
| quinla-zoyoyo
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|-55 30 2 1}}
| {{Monzo|-55 30 2 1}}
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|-
| euzenius
| euzenius
| sabi-ruquinyo
| 78125000 / 78121827
| 78125000 / 78121827
| {{Monzo|3 -13 10 -2}}
| {{Monzo|3 -13 10 -2}}
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|-
| 171&1547&4973 comma
| 171&1547&4973 comma
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|1 -15 -18 23}}
| {{Monzo|1 -15 -18 23}}
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|-
| 441&1848&3125 comma
| 441&1848&3125 comma
| trisa-quinbiruagu
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|51 -13 -1 -10}}
| {{Monzo|51 -13 -1 -10}}
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|-
| termite
| termite
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|9 -28 37 -18}}
| {{Monzo|9 -28 37 -18}}
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|-
| neutrino
| neutrino
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|1889 -2145 138 424}}
| {{Monzo|1889 -2145 138 424}}
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|-
! Name(s)
! Name(s)
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| 11-cycle schisma, 37-11-comma
| 11-cycle schisma, 37-11-comma
|
|  
|  
| {{Monzo|128 0 0 0 -37}}
| {{Monzo|128 0 0 0 -37}}
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|-
| [[swetismic_chords|swetisma]]
| [[swetismic_chords|swetisma]]
| lururuyo
| 540 / 539
| 540 / 539
| {{Monzo|2 3 1 -2 -1}}
| {{Monzo|2 3 1 -2 -1}}
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|-
| wizardharry
| wizardharry
| triluyo
| 4000 / 3993
| 4000 / 3993
| {{Monzo|5 -1 3 0 -3}}
| {{Monzo|5 -1 3 0 -3}}
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|-
| vishdel
| vishdel
| saloquadgu
| 5632 / 5625
| 5632 / 5625
| {{Monzo|9 -2 -4 0 1}}
| {{Monzo|9 -2 -4 0 1}}
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|-
| sesdecal
| sesdecal
| laquadluasepyo
| 234375 / 234256
| 234375 / 234256
| {{Monzo|-4 1 7 0 -4}}
| {{Monzo|-4 1 7 0 -4}}
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|-
| hemigail
| hemigail
| quadloatriru
| 43923 / 43904
| 43923 / 43904
| {{Monzo|-7 1 0 -3 4}}
| {{Monzo|-7 1 0 -3 4}}
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|-
| lehmerisma
| lehmerisma
| loloruyoyo
| 3025 / 3024
| 3025 / 3024
| {{Monzo|-4 -3 2 -1 2}}
| {{Monzo|-4 -3 2 -1 2}}
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|-
| kalisma, Gauss' comma
| kalisma, Gauss' comma
| bilorugu
| 9801 / 9800
| 9801 / 9800
| {{Monzo|-3 4 -2 -2 2}}
| {{Monzo|-3 4 -2 -2 2}}
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|-
| odiheim
| odiheim
| lulu-quinzoaquadgu
| 151263 / 151250
| 151263 / 151250
| {{Monzo|-1 2 -4 5 -2}}
| {{Monzo|-1 2 -4 5 -2}}
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|-
| parimo
| parimo
| satribiloagu
| 1771561 / 1771470
| 1771561 / 1771470
| {{Monzo|-1 -11 -1 0 6}}
| {{Monzo|-1 -11 -1 0 6}}
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|-
| ultimo
| ultimo
| quadloasepruayoyo
| 3294225 / 3294172
| 3294225 / 3294172
| {{Monzo|-2 2 2 -7 4}}
| {{Monzo|-2 2 2 -7 4}}
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|-
! Name
! Name
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| tunbarsma
| tunbarsma
| thuquadyo
| 625 / 624
| 625 / 624
| {{Monzo|-4 -1 4 0 0 -1}}
| {{Monzo|-4 -1 4 0 0 -1}}
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|-
| [[The_Archipelago|island comma]]
| [[The_Archipelago|island comma]]
| bithogu
| 676 / 675
| 676 / 675
| {{Monzo|2 -3 -2 0 0 2}}
| {{Monzo|2 -3 -2 0 0 2}}
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|-
| [[squbemic_chords|squbema]]
| [[squbemic_chords|squbema]]
| lathuru
| 729 / 728
| 729 / 728
| {{Monzo|-3 6 0 -1 0 -1}}
| {{Monzo|-3 6 0 -1 0 -1}}
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|-
| [[petrmic_triad|petrma]]
| [[petrmic_triad|petrma]]
| trithu-aloyoyo
| 2200 / 2197
| 2200 / 2197
| {{Monzo|3 0 2 0 1 -3}}
| {{Monzo|3 0 2 0 1 -3}}
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|-
| [[nicolic_tetrad|nicola]]
| [[nicolic_tetrad|nicola]]
| thululu-zoyoyo
| 1575 / 1573
| 1575 / 1573
| {{Monzo|0 2 2 1 -2 -1}}
| {{Monzo|0 2 2 1 -2 -1}}
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|-
| [[sinbadmic_tetrad|sinbadma]]
| [[sinbadmic_tetrad|sinbadma]]
| tholozo-trigu
| 1001 / 1000
| 1001 / 1000
| {{Monzo|-3 0 -3 1 1 1}}
| {{Monzo|-3 0 -3 1 1 1}}
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|-
| cantonisma
| cantonisma
| trithoruayo
| 10985 / 10976
| 10985 / 10976
| {{Monzo|-5 0 1 -3 0 3}}
| {{Monzo|-5 0 1 -3 0 3}}
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|-
| lummic
| lummic
| tholo-triruagu
| 1716 / 1715
| 1716 / 1715
| {{Monzo|2 1 -1 -3 1 1}}
| {{Monzo|2 1 -1 -3 1 1}}
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|-
| ibnsinma
| ibnsinma
| tholuruyo
| 2080 / 2079
| 2080 / 2079
| {{Monzo|5 -3 1 -1 -1 1}}
| {{Monzo|5 -3 1 -1 -1 1}}
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|-
| schismina
| schismina
| sathurugu
| 4096 / 4095
| 4096 / 4095
| {{Monzo|12 -2 -1 -1 0 -1}}
| {{Monzo|12 -2 -1 -1 0 -1}}
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|-
| leprechaun comma
| leprechaun comma
| thotholuyoyo
| 4225 / 4224
| 4225 / 4224
| {{Monzo|-7 -1 2 0 -1 2}}
| {{Monzo|-7 -1 2 0 -1 2}}
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|-
| jacobin
| jacobin
| thotriluagu
| 6656 / 6655
| 6656 / 6655
| {{Monzo|9 0 -1 0 -3 1}}
| {{Monzo|9 0 -1 0 -3 1}}
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|-
| harmonisma
| harmonisma
| thuthu-triloaru
| 10648 / 10647
| 10648 / 10647
| {{Monzo|3 -2 0 -1 3 -2}}
| {{Monzo|3 -2 0 -1 3 -2}}
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|-
| chalmersima
| chalmersima
| lathotho-luru-gugu
| 123201 / 123200
| 123201 / 123200
| {{Monzo|-6 6 -2 -1 -1 2}}
| {{Monzo|-6 6 -2 -1 -1 2}}
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|-
! Name
! Name
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| xenisma
| xenisma
| sululu-trizo
| 2058 / 2057
| 2058 / 2057
| {{Monzo|1 1 0 3 -2 0 -1}}
| {{Monzo|1 1 0 3 -2 0 -1}}
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|-
| flashma
| flashma
| sotho-luzo-trigu
| 12376 / 12375
| 12376 / 12375
| {{Monzo|3 -2 -3 1 -1 1 1}}
| {{Monzo|3 -2 -3 1 -1 1 1}}
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|-
| sparkisma
| sparkisma
| sululu-ruyoyo
| 14400 / 14399
| 14400 / 14399
| {{Monzo|6 2 2 -1 -2 0 -1}}
| {{Monzo|6 2 2 -1 -2 0 -1}}
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|-
| scintillisma
| scintillisma
| lasuthulu-quadzoagu
| 194481 / 194480
| 194481 / 194480
| {{Monzo|-4 4 -1 4 -1 -1 -1}}
| {{Monzo|-4 4 -1 4 -1 -1 -1}}
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|-
! Name
! Name
![[Color notation|Color Name]]
! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
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|-
| undevicesimal, Boethius', Hunt 19-minor mediant comma
| undevicesimal, Boethius', Hunt 19-minor mediant comma
| lano
| 513 / 512
| 513 / 512
| {{Monzo|-9 3 0 0 0 0 0 1}}
| {{Monzo|-9 3 0 0 0 0 0 1}}
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|-
| password
| password
| sanogu
| 1216 / 1215
| 1216 / 1215
| {{Monzo|6 -5 -1 0 0 0 0 1}}
| {{Monzo|6 -5 -1 0 0 0 0 1}}
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|-
| Blumeyer comma
| Blumeyer comma
| nosuthulu
| 2432 / 2431
| 2432 / 2431
| {{Monzo|7 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 1}}
| {{Monzo|7 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 1}}
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|-
| 19-limit decimill
| 19-limit decimill
| noso-ruru-trigu
| 165376 / 165375
| 165376 / 165375
| {{Monzo|9 -3 -3 -2 0 0 1 1}}
| {{Monzo|9 -3 -3 -2 0 0 1 1}}