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'''Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.'''
'''Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.'''


'''For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]]'''
If you have an experimental proposal for changing or adding to the wiki in a new way, post it on this page.


''See also [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do|Things to Do]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.''
If you have a proposal to improve the basic fundamentals of the wiki, post it at: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do|Things to Do]].
 
For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]].
 
See also: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.
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== Future of this wiki ==
== Future of this wiki ==
Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
=== Transfer from riters.com ===
There are still a couple of pages at [https://web.archive.org/web/20050503032508/http://riters.com:80/microtonal/ http://riters.com/microtonal] that could be copied over if we want this to be the one true wiki. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Warning: That site is very old! [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 07:44, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


=== Improved Yahoo! search engine ===
=== Improved Yahoo! search engine ===
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=== Improved Listening List ===
=== Improved Listening List ===
The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
=== Fill out the scale catalogue ===
Sources for this: all the Yahoo! lists, the Scala archive, original reflection on new and old scales, pages of X.J. Scott, David Finnamore, Tonalsoft...? Have at least one sound example (midi, mp3, ogg...) for each scale, and keep in mind that this wiki allows you to upload files up to 5 MB each.
Ever since learning about the [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] I have desired but not seen a good, thorough introduction to them, or to the two-dimensional method of creating scales. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
=== An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers ===
This could be sufficiently primed by mining the lists. But more importantly it would need to be linked to by a high-search-engine-ranking page. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: '''Update!''' This has now existed for some time, it is at: [[FAQ]].
: There are many unanswered questions there though, so please post your answers.
: And if you have questions, please ask them there because I bet others have the same question too but are shy and hoping someone will ask.
: --[[Budjarn Lambeth]] 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


=== Pages on debates? ===
=== Pages on debates? ===
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=== Add more languages ===
=== Add more languages ===
This wiki could benefit from [[What languages do various users know?|wiki translators]] to add new languages to this wiki. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 18:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
This wiki could benefit from [[What languages do various users know?|wiki translators]] to add new languages to this wiki. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 18:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
=== Add image annotations ===
Could you install this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-ImageAnnotator/Installation so we can add annotations to diagrams, like labeling chords in [[:File:Consonance map, triads, sawtooth waves.png]] ? [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 17:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
: Process for importing templates and all their dependencies: https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/117429/how-to-use-wikipedia-templates-on-an-outside-mediawiki/117436#117436 [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 02:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
=== Interwiki for xen-calc ===
Requesting interwiki for <code>https://www.yacavone.net/xen-calc/?q=$1</code>. These links are used by [[Template:Infobox Interval]] and captchas are annoying. [[User:Plumtree|Plumtree]] ([[User talk:Plumtree|talk]]) 15:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
=== Create table of interval pages for large edos you’re familiar with ===
If you are familiar with a large edo (100edo or higher), please create a “Table of #edo intervals” page for it, along the lines of [[Table of 99edo intervals]] or [[Table of 198edo intervals]].
Please only do this if you are familiar with the edo, though: i.e. you have made music with the edo, or the edo falls within your sphere of expertise as a theorist.
[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] and [[User:BudjarnLambeth|Budjarn Lambeth]], 21 January 2024.
=== More sound examples ===
We should really add some sound examples - it makes regular wikipedia and other xen websites much more comprehensible/easily digestable.
--RobFast on XA Discord, 23 January 2024.
=== Add no-twos consistency to Infobox ET ===
The no-twos consistency limit should be added to [[Template:Infobox ET]] for EDTs.
Suggested by '''[[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]]''' on the XA Discord roughly 30 hours ago, and received 7 positive reacts and no negative reacts.
—[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 06:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
=== Create a "comma names explained" page ===
Create a page explaining how to interpet the following types of comma names:
* "31-comma", "63-comma", "241-comma", etc.
* "11-3/5-comma", "300-3/5-comma", "45-7/5-comma" etc.
* "87-15-comma", "21-23-comma", "59-5 comma", etc.
* "35-cycle", "21-cycle", "19-cycle", etc.
* "5/7-kleisma", "35/11 kleisma", etc.
* "19th partial chroma", "29th partial chroma", etc.
* "34-jubilismic", "23 semitone", "19-minor mediant", etc.
* "87-fold starling comma" (what does 87-fold mean?)
* "prima", "secunda", any other related words
* "trientone", "trienstonic", any other related words
* "hexadecatone", "hendecatonic", any other related words
I would do this myself but I don't actually know what any of them mean.
—[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 24 October 2024 (Sydney time)
::: '''Update:''' Work on this has begun, but is still ongoing. Contribute at: [[Systematic comma names explained]]


=== Create pages for the Edo recommendation hub page ===
=== Create pages for the Edo recommendation hub page ===

Revision as of 06:26, 15 December 2024

Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.

If you have an experimental proposal for changing or adding to the wiki in a new way, post it on this page.

If you have a proposal to improve the basic fundamentals of the wiki, post it at: Things to Do.

For bugs, please report them at: Bugs.

See also: Conventions, Projects#WikiProjects, Migration FAQ, as well as Category:Todo and its subcategories.

This page has associated archive pages:

Future of this wiki

Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type ~~~~ after your comment to leave a signature. For example: Mike Battaglia (talk) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Improved Yahoo! search engine

Now that you can do an advanced search of the tuning (or other) list over the entirety of its life on Yahoo, there is less need to copy things from the tuning list archive. On the other hand, particularly well-written emails might deserve to get their own page. Authors' permissions necessary? zenjacob (talk 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Database of "microtonal solutions"

Not only examples of hardware-software setups as Jon Szanto has repeatedly suggested, but also acoustic solutions, experiencial instrument-making info, a list with the location of every known rare microtonal instrument, and perhaps a way for composers to write for such instruments (providing the curators of them want this)

An instrument-centric approach: MicrotonalInstruments. zenjacob (talk 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Improved Listening List

The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. zenjacob (talk 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Pages on debates?

Do we want to touch the dangerous stuff? JI vs. ET vs. EDO? MMM vs. just plain MM? The point would not be to have another place to play out the old arguments, but to make something useful out of them.

On the other hand, we could make pages on points that many can agree on, with the aim of working together to come up with ways to meet our collective goals. The obvious one, originally Harry Partch: Microtonality is overlooked or dismissed all too often, and the best way to counter its detractors is in making good music with it. zenjacob (talk 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

More on making things: a radical proposal

To me, the wiki as a structure remains an invitation to try new ways to represent information and to cause social interaction to happen. Much of this is overlap with the general Web 2.0 mentality, as well as creeping exhibitionism: why blog or wiki about something you're doing instead of just doing it? What I add to it are Unreasonable Expectations (that others are doing similar things and just need a poke or two in the direction of sharing) and Half-Baked Ideas (for projects that I personally don't have the time to complete but we can perhaps get a coalition of the wishing-it-would-happen). This idea itself is admittedly half-baked, but (and this is the point) I don't let it stop me.

So the radical proposal is this: be irresponsible. Start something you don't intend to finish, just to see how beautiful it is. Pretend you are backed up by a solid movement of joyous people rather than a smattering of bickering and frigid but seemingly well-meaning folks. And it will (maybe) come true. xenjacob (talk 15:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Javascript strategy

Javascript is by default disabled on Mediawiki for security reasons. However, it could be a really really powerful tool for making accessible, interactive explanations for a lot of things. Just as an example, imagine that any number followed by ¢ would automagically create an exemplary audio file like the one linked to at the top of octave...imagine something like that playing when you hover over the text. Or imagine a Lissajous curve appears in the background when you hover over a just ratio. There are some of us capable in Javascript, and some extant widgets written in Javascript, like Billy Stiltner's MOSedo and AKJ's tools. We need at least a collected xenharmonic Javascript library, and maybe that project can't live here, but it would be nice to see it eventually integrated somehow. Xenjacob (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Add more languages

This wiki could benefit from wiki translators to add new languages to this wiki. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Create pages for the Edo recommendation hub page

Create pages where you recommend a list of edos to beginners.

Follow the standardised structure shown on the page Edo recommendation hub page to make it easy for readers to compare with the other lists.

When your page is done, link it on Edo recommendation hub page.

And/or create flow charts to help beginners choose edos, and link those on Edo recommendation hub page.

--Budjarn Lambeth 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)