3136/3125: Difference between revisions

From Xenharmonic Wiki
Jump to navigation Jump to search
Godtone (talk | contribs)
m made explanation terser and removed unpaired bracket
Godtone (talk | contribs)
Line 14: Line 14:
=== Hemimean (2.3.5.7) ===
=== Hemimean (2.3.5.7) ===
Tempering out this comma in the full [[7-limit]] leads to the rank-3 [[hemimean family]] of temperaments, which splits the [[81/80|syntonic comma]] into two equal parts, each representing [[126/125]]~[[225/224]]. Note that if we temper both of those commas individually we get [[septimal meantone]].
Tempering out this comma in the full [[7-limit]] leads to the rank-3 [[hemimean family]] of temperaments, which splits the [[81/80|syntonic comma]] into two equal parts, each representing [[126/125]]~[[225/224]]. Note that if we temper both of those commas individually we get [[septimal meantone]].
==== Hemimean orion ====
As tempering either [[256/255|S16]]/[[324/323|S18]] = [[1216/1215]] or [[324/323|S18]]/[[400/399|S20]] = [[1701/1700]] implies the other in the context of orion with the effect of extending to include prime 3 in the subgroup and as this therefore gives us both S16 = S18 = S20 and S17 = S19, it can be considered natural to add these commas, because {S16/S18, S17/S19, S18/S20} implies all the aforementioned commas of orion. However, this is an extension of hemimean because the ~17/16 generator of orion is no longer present and instead we have a ~3/2 generator. Orion is described next.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19
Comma list: 476/475, 1216/1215, 1445/1444
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -3 -5 -6 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 0 5 5 }}, {{val| 0 0 2 5 1 2 }}]
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.132, ~28/25 = 193.647
Optimal GPV sequence: {{Val list| 12, …, 87, 99, 118, 210gh, 217, 229, 328h, 446 }}
Badness: 0.456


=== Orion ===
=== Orion ===
As [[28/25]] is close to [[19/17]] and as the latter is the mediant of [[5/4]], it is natural to temper ([[28/25]])/([[19/17]]) = [[476/475]] and the [[square superparticular|semiparticular]] ([[5/4]])/([[19/17]])<sup>2</sup> = [[1445/1444]], which together imply tempering out [[3136/3125]] and [[2128/2125]], resulting in a rank-3 temperament. The name comes from when it was first proposed on the wiki as part of [[User:Royalmilktea #The Milky Way|The Milky Way realm]].
As [[28/25]] is close to [[19/17]] and as the latter is the mediant of [[5/4]], it is natural to temper ([[28/25]])/([[19/17]]) = [[476/475]] and the [[square superparticular|semiparticular]] ([[5/4]])/([[19/17]])<sup>2</sup> = [[1445/1444]], which together imply tempering out [[3136/3125]] and [[2128/2125]], resulting in a rank-3 temperament. The name comes from when it was first proposed on the wiki as part of [[User:Royalmilktea #The Milky Way|The Milky Way realm]].


==== 2.5.7.17.19 ====
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.17.19
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.17.19


Line 33: Line 47:
[[Badness]]: 0.0150
[[Badness]]: 0.0150


<!-- names await consolidation
=== Semiorion ===
==== 2.3.5.7.17.19 ====
As [[1445/1444]] = [[289/288|S17]]/[[361/360|S19]] we can extend orion to include prime 3 in its subgroup by tempering both [[289/288|S17]] and [[361/360|S19]]. However, note that (because of tempering [[289/288|S17]]) this splits the period in half, representing a [[17/12]]~[[24/17]] half-octave. This has the consequence that the [[17/16]] generator can be described as a [[3/2]] because [[17/16]] up from [[24/17]] is [[3/2]]. As a result, this equates the generators of hemimean orion and orion up to period-equivalence and is a weak extension of both and neither.
As tempering either [[256/255|S16]]/[[324/323|S18]] = [[1216/1215]] or [[324/323|S18]]/[[400/399|S20]] = [[1701/1700]] implies the other in the context of orion with the effect of extending to include prime 3 in the subgroup and as this therefore gives us both S16 = S18 = S20 and S17 = S19, it can be considered a natural and precise extension, because {S16/S18, S17/S19, S18/S20} implies all the aforementioned commas of orion.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19
 
Comma list: 476/475, 1216/1215, 1445/1444
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -3 -5 -6 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 0 5 5 }}, {{val| 0 0 2 5 1 2 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.132, ~28/25 = 193.647
 
Optimal GPV sequence: {{Val list| 12, …, 87, 99, 118, 210gh, 217, 229, 328h, 446 }}
 
Badness: 0.456
 
==== Semiorion ====
As [[1445/1444]] = [[289/288|S17]]/[[361/360|S19]] we can alternatively extend this temperament to include prime 3 in its subgroup by tempering both [[289/288|S17]] and [[361/360|S19]]. However, note that (because of tempering [[289/288|S17]]) this splits the period in half, representing a [[17/12]]~[[24/17]] half-octave. This is also of course a higher damage route. This has the consequence that the [[17/16]] generator can be described as a [[3/2]] because [[17/16]] up from [[24/17]] is [[3/2]].


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19
Line 63: Line 61:


Badness: 0.569
Badness: 0.569
-->


[[Category:Hemimean]]
[[Category:Hemimean]]

Revision as of 18:00, 17 December 2022

Interval information
Ratio 3136/3125
Factorization 26 × 5-5 × 72
Monzo [6 0 -5 2
Size in cents 6.083244¢
Names hemimean comma,
didacus comma
Color name zzg53, Zozoquingu comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{ddd3}^{7,7}_{5,5,5,5,5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney height (log2 nd) 23.2244
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 23.2294
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 51
Comma size small
Open this interval in xen-calc

3136/3125, the hemimean comma or didacus comma, is a 7-limit small comma measuring about 6.1 ¢. It is the difference between a stack of five classic major thirds (5/4) and a stack of two subminor sevenths (7/4). Perhaps more importantly, it is (28/25)2/(5/4), and because 28/25 = (7/5)/(5/4), it is also (28/25)3/(7/5), which means its square is equal to the difference between (28/25)5 and 7/4. The associated temperament has the highly favourable property of putting a number of low complexity 2.5.7 subgroup intervals on a short chain of 28/25's, itself a 2.5.7 subgroup interval.

In terms of commas, it is the difference between the septimal semicomma (126/125) and the septimal kleisma (225/224), or between the augmented comma (128/125) and the jubilisma (50/49).

Temperaments

Didacus (2.5.7)

Tempering out this comma in its minimal prime subgroup of 2.5.7 leads to didacus (a variant of hemithirds without a mapping for 3) with a generator of 28/25.

Hemimean (2.3.5.7)

Tempering out this comma in the full 7-limit leads to the rank-3 hemimean family of temperaments, which splits the syntonic comma into two equal parts, each representing 126/125~225/224. Note that if we temper both of those commas individually we get septimal meantone.

Hemimean orion

As tempering either S16/S18 = 1216/1215 or S18/S20 = 1701/1700 implies the other in the context of orion with the effect of extending to include prime 3 in the subgroup and as this therefore gives us both S16 = S18 = S20 and S17 = S19, it can be considered natural to add these commas, because {S16/S18, S17/S19, S18/S20} implies all the aforementioned commas of orion. However, this is an extension of hemimean because the ~17/16 generator of orion is no longer present and instead we have a ~3/2 generator. Orion is described next.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19

Comma list: 476/475, 1216/1215, 1445/1444

Mapping: [1 0 0 -3 -5 -6], 0 1 0 0 5 5], 0 0 2 5 1 2]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.132, ~28/25 = 193.647

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.456

Orion

As 28/25 is close to 19/17 and as the latter is the mediant of 5/4, it is natural to temper (28/25)/(19/17) = 476/475 and the semiparticular (5/4)/(19/17)2 = 1445/1444, which together imply tempering out 3136/3125 and 2128/2125, resulting in a rank-3 temperament. The name comes from when it was first proposed on the wiki as part of The Milky Way realm.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.17.19

Comma list: 476/475, 1445/1444

Mapping: [1 0 -3 0 -1], 0 2 5 0 1], 0 0 0 1 1]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25, ~17

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 193.642, ~17/16 = 104.434

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0150

Semiorion

As 1445/1444 = S17/S19 we can extend orion to include prime 3 in its subgroup by tempering both S17 and S19. However, note that (because of tempering S17) this splits the period in half, representing a 17/12~24/17 half-octave. This has the consequence that the 17/16 generator can be described as a 3/2 because 17/16 up from 24/17 is 3/2. As a result, this equates the generators of hemimean orion and orion up to period-equivalence and is a weak extension of both and neither.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19

Comma list: 289/288, 361/360, 476/475

Mapping: [2 0 0 -6 5 3], 0 1 0 0 1 1], 0 0 2 5 0 1]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 702.509, ~28/25 = 193.669

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.569