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=== Didacus (2.5.7) ===
=== Didacus (2.5.7) ===
Tempering out this comma in its minimal prime subgroup of 2.5.7 leads to [[Hemimean clan #Didacus|didacus]] (a variant of [[hemithirds]] without a mapping for 3) with a generator of [[28/25]].
Tempering out this comma in its minimal prime [[subgroup]] of 2.5.7 leads to [[Hemimean clan #Didacus|didacus]] (a variant of [[hemithirds]] without a mapping for 3) with a generator of [[28/25]].


=== Hemimean (2.3.5.7) ===
=== Hemimean (2.3.5.7) ===
Tempering out this comma in the full [[7-limit]] leads to the rank-3 [[hemimean family]] of temperaments, which splits the [[81/80|syntonic comma]] into two equal parts, each representing [[126/125]]~[[225/224]]. (Note that if we temper both of those commas individually we get [[septimal meantone]].)
Tempering out this comma in the full [[7-limit]] leads to the rank-3 [[hemimean family]] of temperaments, which splits the [[81/80|syntonic comma]] into two equal parts, each representing [[126/125]]~[[225/224]]. (Note that if we temper both of those commas individually we get [[septimal meantone]].)


=== Orion (2.5.7.17.19) ===
=== Orion ===
As [[28/25]] is close to [[19/17]] and as the latter is a precise approximation of half of [[5/4]], it is natural to temper ([[28/25]])/([[19/17]]) = [[476/475]] and the [[square superparticular|semiparticular]] ([[5/4]])/([[19/17]])<sup>2</sup> = [[1445/1444]] which together imply tempering [[3136/3125]] and [[2128/2125]], resulting in a rank 3 temperament.
As [[28/25]] is close to [[19/17]] and as the latter is a precise approximation of half of [[5/4]], it is natural to temper ([[28/25]])/([[19/17]]) = [[476/475]] and the [[square superparticular|semiparticular]] ([[5/4]])/([[19/17]])<sup>2</sup> = [[1445/1444]] which together imply tempering [[3136/3125]] and [[2128/2125]], resulting in a rank 3 temperament.
==== 2.5.7.17.19 ====
Comma list: 3136/3125, 476/475, 1445/1444 = S17/S19, 2128/2125


[[Mapping]]:<br>
[[Mapping]]:<br>
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[[Val]]s: {{Val list| 12, 25, 31, 37, 43, 50, 56, 68, 93}}
[[Val]]s: {{Val list| 12, 25, 31, 37, 43, 50, 56, 68, 93}}


==== 2.3.5.7.17.19 ====
As tempering either [[256/255|S16]]/[[324/323|S18]] = [[1216/1215]] or [[324/323|S18]]/[[400/399|S20]] = [[1701/1700]] implies the other in the context of orion with the effect of extending to include prime 3 in the subgroup and as this therefore gives us both S16 = S18 = S20 and S17 = S19, it can be considered a natural and precise extension, because {S16/S18, S17/S19, S18/S20} implies all the aforementioned commas of orion.
Comma list: 3136/3125, 1445/1444 = S17/S19, 1216/1215 = S18/S20
[[Mapping]]:<br>
[{{val| 1 1 2 2 1 1 }}<br>
{{val| 0 1 0 0 5 5 }}<br>
{{val| 0 0 2 5 1 2 }}]
==== Semiorion ====
As [[1445/1444]] = [[289/288|S17]]/[[361/360|S19]] we can alternatively extend this temperament to include prime 3 in its subgroup by tempering both [[289/288|S17]] and [[361/360|S19]]. However, note that (because of tempering [[289/288|S17]]) this splits the period in half, representing a [[17/12]]~[[24/17]] half-octave. This is also of course a higher damage route. This has the consequence that the [[17/16]] generator can be described as a [[3/2]] because [[17/16]] up from [[24/17]] is [[3/2]].
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19
Comma list: 3136/3125, 289/288 = S17, 361/360 = S19
[[Mapping]]:<br>
[{{val| 2 2 4 4 7 7 }}<br>
{{val| 0 1 0 0 1 1 }}<br>
{{val| 0 0 2 5 0 1 }}]
[[CTE]] generators: ~17/12 = 600.0, ~3/2 = 702.509, ~28/25 = 193.669
[[Val]]s: {{Val list|12, 50, 56, 62, 68, 80, 118, 130}}


[[Category:Hemimean]]
[[Category:Hemimean]]

Revision as of 20:12, 16 December 2022

Interval information
Ratio 3136/3125
Factorization 26 × 5-5 × 72
Monzo [6 0 -5 2
Size in cents 6.083244¢
Names hemimean comma,
didacus comma
Color name zzg53, Zozoquingu comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{ddd3}^{7,7}_{5,5,5,5,5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney height (log2 nd) 23.2244
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 23.2294
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 51
Comma size small
Open this interval in xen-calc

3136/3125, the hemimean comma or didacus comma, is a 7-limit small comma measuring about 6.1 ¢. It is the difference between five classic major thirds (5/4) and two subminor sevenths (7/4); it is also the difference between the septimal semicomma (126/125) and the septimal kleisma (225/224). Perhaps most importantly, it is (28/25)2/(5/4) and (because 28/25 = (7/5)/(5/4)) therefore also (28/25)3/(7/5) which means that its square is equal to the difference between (28/25)5 and 7/4. This has the highly favourable property of putting a number of low complexity 2.5.7 subgroup intervals on a short chain of 28/25's, itself a 2.5.7 subgroup interval.

Temperaments

Didacus (2.5.7)

Tempering out this comma in its minimal prime subgroup of 2.5.7 leads to didacus (a variant of hemithirds without a mapping for 3) with a generator of 28/25.

Hemimean (2.3.5.7)

Tempering out this comma in the full 7-limit leads to the rank-3 hemimean family of temperaments, which splits the syntonic comma into two equal parts, each representing 126/125~225/224. (Note that if we temper both of those commas individually we get septimal meantone.)

Orion

As 28/25 is close to 19/17 and as the latter is a precise approximation of half of 5/4, it is natural to temper (28/25)/(19/17) = 476/475 and the semiparticular (5/4)/(19/17)2 = 1445/1444 which together imply tempering 3136/3125 and 2128/2125, resulting in a rank 3 temperament.

2.5.7.17.19

Comma list: 3136/3125, 476/475, 1445/1444 = S17/S19, 2128/2125

Mapping:
[1 2 2 4 4]
0 2 5 0 1]
0 0 0 1 1]]

CTE generators: 2/1, ~28/25 = 193.642, ~17/16 = 104.434

Vals: Template:Val list

2.3.5.7.17.19

As tempering either S16/S18 = 1216/1215 or S18/S20 = 1701/1700 implies the other in the context of orion with the effect of extending to include prime 3 in the subgroup and as this therefore gives us both S16 = S18 = S20 and S17 = S19, it can be considered a natural and precise extension, because {S16/S18, S17/S19, S18/S20} implies all the aforementioned commas of orion.

Comma list: 3136/3125, 1445/1444 = S17/S19, 1216/1215 = S18/S20

Mapping:
[1 1 2 2 1 1]
0 1 0 0 5 5]
0 0 2 5 1 2]]

Semiorion

As 1445/1444 = S17/S19 we can alternatively extend this temperament to include prime 3 in its subgroup by tempering both S17 and S19. However, note that (because of tempering S17) this splits the period in half, representing a 17/12~24/17 half-octave. This is also of course a higher damage route. This has the consequence that the 17/16 generator can be described as a 3/2 because 17/16 up from 24/17 is 3/2.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19

Comma list: 3136/3125, 289/288 = S17, 361/360 = S19

Mapping:
[2 2 4 4 7 7]
0 1 0 0 1 1]
0 0 2 5 0 1]]

CTE generators: ~17/12 = 600.0, ~3/2 = 702.509, ~28/25 = 193.669

Vals: Template:Val list