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Sextilimeans: maybe FloraC misread the mapping? subgroup is no-threes, it's 2.5.7.11.13 and it is the 5th harmonic that is reached 482 generators down.
m Clarify that the mappings are subgroup-val mappings, so that I won't make the same mistake again
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[[Comma list]]: 6656/6655, {{monzo| -119 -46 15 47 }}
[[Comma list]]: 6656/6655, {{monzo| -119 -46 15 47 }}


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 74 3 74 }}, {{val| 0 -156 1 -153 }}]
[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{val| 1 74 3 74 }}, {{val| 0 -156 1 -153 }}]


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~11/8 = 551.370
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~11/8 = 551.370
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Named so because it is described as the 1789 & 3125 temperament due to 3125 providing the optimal patent val for the jacobin comma, 3125 is 5 to the 5th power, and Estates General were called by Louis XVI on 5th May 1789 (05/05). Defined starting with the 2.5.11.13.19 subgroup, upwards to the 2.5.11.13.19.23.29.31 subgroup.
Named so because it is described as the 1789 & 3125 temperament due to 3125 providing the optimal patent val for the jacobin comma, 3125 is 5 to the 5th power, and Estates General were called by Louis XVI on 5th May 1789 (05/05). Defined starting with the 2.5.11.13.19 subgroup, upwards to the 2.5.11.13.19.23.29.31 subgroup.


Subgroup: 2.5.11.13.19
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.11.13.19


Comma list: 6656/6655, 40960000000/40943078891, {{monzo| -133 50 -7 18 -6 }}
[[Comma list]]: 6656/6655, 40960000000/40943078891, {{monzo| -133 50 -7 18 -6 }}


Mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 }}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 }}]
[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 }}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 }}]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2588443885831192576/1914932769775390625 = 521.856
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2588443885831192576/1914932769775390625 = 521.856


=== 2.5.11.13.19.23 subgroup ===
=== 2.5.11.13.19.23 subgroup ===
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Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 190676992/190653125, {{Monzo|-92 23 -2 14 -10  8}}
Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 190676992/190653125, {{Monzo|-92 23 -2 14 -10  8}}


Mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 579}}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321}}]
Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 579}}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321}}]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2592407900127232/1918105439453125 = 521.856
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2592407900127232/1918105439453125 = 521.856
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Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 190676992/190653125, 7592198144/7591796875, 897740062375/897648164864
Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 190676992/190653125, 7592198144/7591796875, 897740062375/897648164864


Mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 579 251}}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321 -566}}]
Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 579 251}}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321 -566}}]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~184000/136097 = 521.856
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~184000/136097 = 521.856
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Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 9425/9424, 190676992/190653125, 507528125/507510784, 519411073024/519363934375
Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 9425/9424, 190676992/190653125, 507528125/507510784, 519411073024/519363934375


Mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 579 251 -179}}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321 -566 423}}]
Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 118 -107 -212 450 579 251 -179}}, {{val| 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321 -566 423}}]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~80275/59392 = 521.856
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~80275/59392 = 521.856
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Sextilimeans is like sextilififths, but the fourth that is divided into 6 in sextilififths is tuned to a meantone fourth in the optimal tuning, or about 1/4.26-commma meantone. It should be noted, however, that this meantone fourth is not ~4/3 despite that the name may suggest so. In fact, the 3rd harmonic is not mapped in this temperament at all. It is described as the 229 & 1789 temperament.  
Sextilimeans is like sextilififths, but the fourth that is divided into 6 in sextilififths is tuned to a meantone fourth in the optimal tuning, or about 1/4.26-commma meantone. It should be noted, however, that this meantone fourth is not ~4/3 despite that the name may suggest so. In fact, the 3rd harmonic is not mapped in this temperament at all. It is described as the 229 & 1789 temperament.  


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 6656/6655, 8122034375/8120172544, {{monzo|-12 -29 36 -2 -4}}
[[Comma list]]: 6656/6655, 8122034375/8120172544, {{monzo|-12 -29 36 -2 -4}}


Mapping: [{{val|1 36 23 -24 -45}}, {{val|0 -482 -289 393 697}}]
[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{val|1 36 23 -24 -45}}, {{val|0 -482 -289 393 697}}]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~16807/16000 = 83.846
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~16807/16000 = 83.846


Vals: {{EDOs|229, 1789}}, ...
Vals: {{EDOs|229, 1789}}, ...
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Described as the 1789 & 2814 temperament, and named because 2814 divided in two is 1407, and Bastille storming happened on 14 July 1789. Unfortunately the 1407 & 1789 temperament in the patent val does not temper out the jacobin comma, so it is not included here.
Described as the 1789 & 2814 temperament, and named because 2814 divided in two is 1407, and Bastille storming happened on 14 July 1789. Unfortunately the 1407 & 1789 temperament in the patent val does not temper out the jacobin comma, so it is not included here.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 6656/6655, {{monzo|43 -18  0  5 -5}}, {{monzo|6 -30 -3  8 12}}
[[Comma list]]: 6656/6655, {{monzo|43 -18  0  5 -5}}, {{monzo|6 -30 -3  8 12}}


Mapping: [{{Val|1 26 -938 -51 -136}}, {{Val|0 -30 1192 69 177}}]
[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{Val|1 26 -938 -51 -136}}, {{Val|0 -30 1192 69 177}}]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~91750400/53094899 = 947.121
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~91750400/53094899 = 947.121


Vals: 1789, 2814, ...
Vals: 1789, 2814, ...

Revision as of 05:44, 16 October 2022

The Jacobins is a collection of microtemperaments of different ranks which all temper out the jacobin comma, 6656/6655.

The main focus here will be on the 2.5.11.13 subgroup, as the jacobin comma can be entrenched in other temperaments like vidar.

Quite coincidentally, 1789edo supports an enormous amount of these temperaments.

Onzonic

Named for the French word for eleven, onze, since the generator is 11/8. Initially defined for 2.5.11.13, but it can be extended.

Pure onzonic

Pure onzonic is the temperament that was initially referred to as "jacobin" before it was pointed out that the same name would be reserved for the rank-5 temperamnet tempering out 6656/6655 alone. Since 6656/6655 is the difference between a stack of three 11/8's and 13/10, it is natural to choose a rank-2 temperament that uses 11/8 as the generator to exploit the comma.

Subgroup: 2.5.11.13

Comma list: 6656/6655, [-119 -46 15 47

Sval mapping: [1 74 3 74], 0 -156 1 -153]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~11/8 = 551.370

Vals: 37, 1789

Estates general

Named so because it is described as the 1789 & 3125 temperament due to 3125 providing the optimal patent val for the jacobin comma, 3125 is 5 to the 5th power, and Estates General were called by Louis XVI on 5th May 1789 (05/05). Defined starting with the 2.5.11.13.19 subgroup, upwards to the 2.5.11.13.19.23.29.31 subgroup.

Subgroup: 2.5.11.13.19

Comma list: 6656/6655, 40960000000/40943078891, [-133 50 -7 18 -6

Sval mapping: [1 118 -107 -212 450], 0 -266 254 496 -1025]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2588443885831192576/1914932769775390625 = 521.856

2.5.11.13.19.23 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.11.13.19.23

Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 190676992/190653125, [-92 23 -2 14 -10  8

Sval mapping: [1 118 -107 -212 450 579], 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2592407900127232/1918105439453125 = 521.856

2.5.11.13.19.23.29 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.11.13.19.23.29

Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 190676992/190653125, 7592198144/7591796875, 897740062375/897648164864

Sval mapping: [1 118 -107 -212 450 579 251], 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321 -566]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~184000/136097 = 521.856

2.5.11.13.19.23.29.31 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.11.13.19.23.29.31

Comma list: 6656/6655, 62500/62491, 9425/9424, 190676992/190653125, 507528125/507510784, 519411073024/519363934375

Sval mapping: [1 118 -107 -212 450 579 251 -179], 0 -266 254 496 -1025 -1321 -566 423]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~80275/59392 = 521.856

Sextilimeans

Sextilimeans is like sextilififths, but the fourth that is divided into 6 in sextilififths is tuned to a meantone fourth in the optimal tuning, or about 1/4.26-commma meantone. It should be noted, however, that this meantone fourth is not ~4/3 despite that the name may suggest so. In fact, the 3rd harmonic is not mapped in this temperament at all. It is described as the 229 & 1789 temperament.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 6656/6655, 8122034375/8120172544, [-12 -29 36 -2 -4

Sval mapping: [1 36 23 -24 -45], 0 -482 -289 393 697]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~16807/16000 = 83.846

Vals: 229, 1789, ...

Double Bastille

Described as the 1789 & 2814 temperament, and named because 2814 divided in two is 1407, and Bastille storming happened on 14 July 1789. Unfortunately the 1407 & 1789 temperament in the patent val does not temper out the jacobin comma, so it is not included here.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 6656/6655, [43 -18 0 5 -5, [6 -30 -3 8 12

Sval mapping: [1 26 -938 -51 -136], 0 -30 1192 69 177]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~91750400/53094899 = 947.121

Vals: 1789, 2814, ...