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== The default mode of a mos ==
== The default mode of a mos ==
By convention, the two main scales that most musicians talk about are the major and minor scales, or the ionian and aeolian modes. This convention is not something most musicians may agree on, but it provides a starting point when talking about music in a more general sense or in a context that is not as technical. Thus, when looking at a [[mos]] that falls outside the familiar diatonic scale ([[5L 2s]]), can this notion of a major and minor scale be generalized?
By convention, the two main scales that most musicians talk about are the major and minor scales, or the ionian and aeolian modes. This convention is not something most musicians may agree on, but it provides a starting point when talking about music in a more general sense or in a context that is not as technical. Thus, when looking at a [[mos]] that falls outside the familiar diatonic scale ([[5L 2s]]), can this notion of a major and minor scale be generalized? This section shows my attempt at answering this question, with justification as to why.


=== Examples using heptatonic mosses ===
=== Examples using heptatonic mosses ===
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There are a few ways to answer the default mode question. Looking at the scale pattern for ionian may provide some clues. Since it's the second-darkest mode, an easy answer is that it's the second-brightest mode. However, a more interesting answer is to say that the default (bright) mode is the darkest mode whose step pattern starts with L and ends with s.
There are a few ways to answer the default mode question. Looking at the scale pattern for ionian may provide some clues. Since it's the second-darkest mode, an easy answer is that it's the second-brightest mode. However, a more interesting answer is to say that '''the default bright mode is the darkest mode whose step pattern starts with L and ends with s'''.


As of the default dark mode, a similar easy answer is to say it's the third-darkest mode. However, a more interesting answer is to say it's the mode that starts with an L and ends with an L. However, this definition does not work with scales that more s's than L's; 1L 6s, 2L 5s, and 3L 4s have no such modes that fit this description. This definition can be amended to say that the default dark mode is the darkest mode whose step pattern starts and ends with the same step size.
As of the default dark mode, a similar easy answer is to say it's the third-darkest mode. However, a more interesting answer is to say it's the mode that starts with an L and ends with an L. However, this definition does not work with scales that more s's than L's; 1L 6s, 2L 5s, and 3L 4s have no such modes that fit this description. This definition can be amended to say that '''the default dark mode is the darkest mode whose step pattern starts and ends with the same step size'''.


Using this assumption as a guide, we can then identify the corresponding major and minor modes of these mosses in '''bold'''.
Using this assumption as a guide, we can then identify the corresponding major and minor modes of these mosses in '''bold'''.
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Interestingly, this results in some mosses that have more than one lydian equivalent (a mode that is brighter than its default major mode), and this also results in every mos having a locrian equivalent (an "unusable" mode that has its generating interval be in its diminished form). It's important to note that there are many ways to settle on a mos's default mode, and which one is decided may vary between musicians and their musical goals. This is just one of many ways to answer the default mode question.
'''It's important to note that there are many ways to settle on a mos's default mode, and which mode is decided on may vary between musicians and their musical goals. This is just one way to answer the default mode question.'''
 
Interestingly, this definition of a default mode has some overlap with [[Naming Rank-2 Scales|Jake Freivald's method]] of enumerating a mos's modes.


=== Example using a mos with far more notes ===
=== Example using a mos with far more notes ===
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=== Justification and comparison ===
==== Justification ====
Personal experiments with 2L 5s had led me to believe that anti-aeolian is not the default bright mode, but rather antiphrygian. (wip: examples)
Additionally, 19edo (and 31edo) supports both the diatonic and mosh mosses, where the generating interval for 3L 4s is 5L 2s's major third. This means that 3L 4s is, in a sense, 19edo's equivalent of an augmented scale. Constructing a tertian chord with C as the root results in the chord C-E-G#, an augmented chord, but constructing a tertian chord where C is the highest note requires the notes Fb and Ab. This is reached by starting at C and going down two major thirds, which matches the description of mode 4|2 of mosh (up 4 generators and down 2 generators), which is the exact mode that is described as the default mode.
==== Comparison with other methods ====
Interestingly, this definition of a default mode has some overlap with [[Naming Rank-2 Scales|Jake Freivald's method]] of enumerating a mos's modes.

Revision as of 18:58, 26 July 2022

This page is for describing how I approach various xen-related topics. It's neither definitive nor pedagogical, rather it's insight into how I understand certain concepts and put them to use. (Mileage may vary.)

The default mode of a mos

By convention, the two main scales that most musicians talk about are the major and minor scales, or the ionian and aeolian modes. This convention is not something most musicians may agree on, but it provides a starting point when talking about music in a more general sense or in a context that is not as technical. Thus, when looking at a mos that falls outside the familiar diatonic scale (5L 2s), can this notion of a major and minor scale be generalized? This section shows my attempt at answering this question, with justification as to why.

Examples using heptatonic mosses

As an example, let's use all six more heptatonic mosses: 1L 6s (anti-archeotonic), 2L 5s (antidiatonic), 3L 4s (mosh), 4L 3s (smitonic), 5L 2s (diatonic), and 6L 1s (archeotonic) to get the table below. All modes are sorted by modal brightness. The familiar major and minor scales are shown in bold.

Anti-archeotonic Antidiatonic Mosh Smitonic Diatonic Archeotonic
Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern
Antizokalaraian 6|0 Lssssss Antilocrian 6|0 LssLsss Dril 6|0 LsLsLss Nerevarine 6|0 LLsLsLs Lydian 6|0 LLLsLLs Ryonian 6|0 LLLLLLs
Antitamashian 5|1 sLsssss Antiphrygian 5|1 LsssLss Gil 5|1 LsLssLs Vivecan 5|1 LsLLsLs Ionian (major) 5|1 LLsLLLs Karakalian 5|1 LLLLLsL
Anti-oukranian 4|2 ssLssss Anti-aeolian 4|2 sLssLss Kleeth 4|2 LssLsLs Lorkhanic 4|2 LsLsLLs Mixolydian 4|2 LLsLLsL Lobonian 4|2 LLLLsLL
Anti-horthathian 3|3 sssLsss Antidorian 3|3 sLsssLs Bish 3|3 sLsLsLs Sothic 3|3 LsLsLsL Dorian 3|3 LsLLLsL Horthathian 3|3 LLLsLLL
Antilobonian 2|4 ssssLss Antimixolydian 2|4 ssLssLs Fish 2|4 sLsLssL Kagrenacan 2|4 sLLsLsL Aeolian (minor) 2|4 LsLLsLL Oukranian 2|4 LLsLLLL
Antikarakalian 1|5 sssssLs Anti-ionian 1|5 ssLsssL Jwl 1|5 sLssLsL Almalexian 1|5 sLsLLsL Phrygian 1|5 sLLLsLL Tamashian 1|5 LsLLLLL
Anti-ryonian 0|6 ssssssL Antilydian 0|6 sssLssL Led 0|6 ssLsLsL Dagothic 0|6 sLsLsLL Locrian 0|6 sLLsLLL Zokalarian 0|6 sLLLLLL

There are a few ways to answer the default mode question. Looking at the scale pattern for ionian may provide some clues. Since it's the second-darkest mode, an easy answer is that it's the second-brightest mode. However, a more interesting answer is to say that the default bright mode is the darkest mode whose step pattern starts with L and ends with s.

As of the default dark mode, a similar easy answer is to say it's the third-darkest mode. However, a more interesting answer is to say it's the mode that starts with an L and ends with an L. However, this definition does not work with scales that more s's than L's; 1L 6s, 2L 5s, and 3L 4s have no such modes that fit this description. This definition can be amended to say that the default dark mode is the darkest mode whose step pattern starts and ends with the same step size.

Using this assumption as a guide, we can then identify the corresponding major and minor modes of these mosses in bold.

Anti-archeotonic Antidiatonic Mosh Smitonic Diatonic Archeotonic
Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern Mode Name UDP Step Pattern
Antizokalaraian 6|0 Lssssss Antilocrian 6|0 LssLsss Dril 6|0 LsLsLss Nerevarine 6|0 LLsLsLs Lydian 6|0 LLLsLLs Ryonian 6|0 LLLLLLs
Antitamashian 5|1 sLsssss Antiphrygian 5|1 LsssLss Gil 5|1 LsLssLs Vivecan 5|1 LsLLsLs Ionian (major) 5|1 LLsLLLs Karakalian 5|1 LLLLLsL
Anti-oukranian 4|2 ssLssss Anti-aeolian 4|2 sLssLss Kleeth 4|2 LssLsLs Lorkhanic 4|2 LsLsLLs Mixolydian 4|2 LLsLLsL Lobonian 4|2 LLLLsLL
Anti-horthathian 3|3 sssLsss Antidorian 3|3 sLsssLs Bish 3|3 sLsLsLs Sothic 3|3 LsLsLsL Dorian 3|3 LsLLLsL Horthathian 3|3 LLLsLLL
Antilobonian 2|4 ssssLss Antimixolydian 2|4 ssLssLs Fish 2|4 sLsLssL Kagrenacan 2|4 sLLsLsL Aeolian (minor) 2|4 LsLLsLL Oukranian 2|4 LLsLLLL
Antikarakalian 1|5 sssssLs Anti-ionian 1|5 ssLsssL Jwl 1|5 sLssLsL Almalexian 1|5 sLsLLsL Phrygian 1|5 sLLLsLL Tamashian 1|5 LsLLLLL
Anti-ryonian 0|6 ssssssL Antilydian 0|6 sssLssL Led 0|6 ssLsLsL Dagothic 0|6 sLsLsLL Locrian 0|6 sLLsLLL Zokalarian 0|6 sLLLLLL

It's important to note that there are many ways to settle on a mos's default mode, and which mode is decided on may vary between musicians and their musical goals. This is just one way to answer the default mode question.

Example using a mos with far more notes

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Justification and comparison

Justification

Personal experiments with 2L 5s had led me to believe that anti-aeolian is not the default bright mode, but rather antiphrygian. (wip: examples)

Additionally, 19edo (and 31edo) supports both the diatonic and mosh mosses, where the generating interval for 3L 4s is 5L 2s's major third. This means that 3L 4s is, in a sense, 19edo's equivalent of an augmented scale. Constructing a tertian chord with C as the root results in the chord C-E-G#, an augmented chord, but constructing a tertian chord where C is the highest note requires the notes Fb and Ab. This is reached by starting at C and going down two major thirds, which matches the description of mode 4|2 of mosh (up 4 generators and down 2 generators), which is the exact mode that is described as the default mode.

Comparison with other methods

Interestingly, this definition of a default mode has some overlap with Jake Freivald's method of enumerating a mos's modes.