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| 32/27 || 294.1 || <sub>5</sub>M2
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| 8192/6561 || 384.4 || <sub>5</sub>A2
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| 81/64 || 407.8 || <sub>5</sub>d3
| 81/64 || 407.8 || <sub>5</sub>d3
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| 128/81 || 792.2 || <sub>5</sub>A4
| 128/81 || 792.2 || <sub>5</sub>A4
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| 6561/4096 || 815.6 || <sub>5</sub>d5
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| 27/16 || 905.9 || <sub>5</sub>m5
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| 7/6 || 266.9 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sup>7</sup>
| 7/6 || 266.9 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sup>7</sup>
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| 896/729 || 357.1 || <sub>5</sub>A2<sup>7</sup
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| 9/7 || 435.1 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sub>7</sub>
| 9/7 || 435.1 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sub>7</sub>
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| 14/9 || 764.9 || <sub>5</sub>A4<sup>7</sup>
| 14/9 || 764.9 || <sub>5</sub>A4<sup>7</sup>
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| 729/448 || 842.9 || <sub>5</sub>A2<sub>7</sub>
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| 12/7 || 933.1 || <sub>5</sub>m5<sub>7</sub>
| 12/7 || 933.1 || <sub>5</sub>m5<sub>7</sub>
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| 147/128 || 239.6 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sup>7,7</sup>
| 147/128 || 239.6 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sup>7,7</sup>
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| 98/81 || 329.8 || <sub>5</sub>A2<sup>7,7</sup>
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| 64/49 || 462.3 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sub>7,7</sub>
| 64/49 || 462.3 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sub>7,7</sub>
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| 49/32 || 737.7 || <sub>5</sub>A4<sup>7,7</sup>
| 49/32 || 737.7 || <sub>5</sub>A4<sup>7,7</sup>
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| 81/49 || 870.2 || <sub>5</sub>d5<sub>7,7</sub>
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| 256/147 || 960.4 || <sub>5</sub>m5<sub>7,7</sub>
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| 6/5 || 315.6 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sub>5</sub>
| 6/5 || 315.6 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sub>5</sub>
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| 512/405 || 405.9 || <sub>5</sub>A2<sub>5</sub>
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| 5/4 || 386.3 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sup>5</sup>
| 5/4 || 386.3 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sup>5</sup>
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| 8/5 || 813.7 || <sub>5</sub>A4<sub>5</sub>
| 8/5 || 813.7 || <sub>5</sub>A4<sub>5</sub>
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| 405/256 || 794.1 || <sub>5</sub>d5<sup>5</sup>
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| 5/3 || 884.4 || <sub>5</sub>m5<sup>5</sup>
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|+ Ratios with two factors of 5 (incomplete)
|+ Ratios with two factors of 5 (incorrect right now)
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! Ratio !! Cents !! Interval name<br>(Pentatonic)
! Ratio !! Cents !! Interval name<br>(Pentatonic)
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| 147/128 || 239.6 || <sub>5</sub>M2<sup>7,7</sup>
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| 512/405 || 405.9 || <sub>5</sub>A2<sub>5</sub>
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| 64/49 || 462.3 || <sub>5</sub>d3<sub>7,7</sub>
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| 405/256 || 794.1 || <sub>5</sub>d5<sup>5</sup>
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| 256/147 || 960.4 || <sub>5</sub>m5<sub>7,7</sub>
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Revision as of 09:10, 26 December 2025

Traditionally, we use a diatonic system of interval classification. This works well in the 5-limit and in meantone. However, in other systems like superpyth, a pentatonic system of classification based on the 2L 3s MOS scale may be preferred. We will develop a pentatonic version of the FJS, starting from the 3-limit and using formal commas to reach higher limits.

The 3-limit

We start by examining pythagorean intervals based on 2L 3s classification. Note that the subscript 5 before the interval name means it is pentatonic, and that a factor of 5 in the denominator of a ratio would be a subscript 5 after the interval name.

Pythagorean intervals
Ratio Cents Interval name
(Pentatonic)
1/1 0.0 5P1
256/243 90.2 5A1
2187/2048 113.7 5d2
9/8 203.9 5m2
32/27 294.1 5M2
8192/6561 384.4 5A2
81/64 407.8 5d3
4/3 498.0 5P3
1024/729 588.3 5A3
729/512 611.7 5d4
3/2 702.0 5P4
128/81 792.2 5A4
6561/4096 815.6 5d5
27/16 905.9 5m5
16/9 996.1 5M5
4096/2187 1086.3 5A5
243/128 1109.8 5d6
2/1 1200.0 5P6

In contrast to diatonic, 256/243 is a chroma interval, separating major and minor intervals of the same category. Interestingly, only pentatonic seconds and fifths now have major/minor, and augmented and diminished intervals come way eariler.

Ratios of 7

Since we are using a pentatonic system of notation, and 5edo represents the 2.3.7 subgroup very well, we will investigate ratios with factors of 7 before ratios with factors of 5. Just like in the FJS, we will be using 64/63 as our formal comma.

Ratios with a factor of 7
Ratio Cents Interval name
(Pentatonic)
64/63 27.3 5P17
28/27 63.0 5A17
243/224 140.9 5d27
8/7 231.2 5m27
7/6 266.9 5M27
896/729 357.1 5A27</sup
9/7 435.1 5d37
21/16 470.8 5P37
112/81 561.0 5A37
81/56 639.0 5d47
32/21 729.2 5P47
14/9 764.9 5A47
729/448 842.9 5A27
12/7 933.1 5m57
7/4 968.8 5M57
448/243 1059.1 5A57
27/14 1137.0 5d67
63/32 1200.0 5P67
Ratios with two factors of 7
Ratio Cents Interval name
(Pentatonic)
4096/3969 54.5 5P17,7
49/48 35.7 5A17,7
54/49 168.2 5d27,7
512/441 258.4 5m27,7
147/128 239.6 5M27,7
98/81 329.8 5A27,7
64/49 462.3 5d37,7
1323/1024 443.5 5P37,7
49/36 533.7 5A37,7
72/49 666.3 5d47,7
2048/1323 756.5 5P47,7
49/32 737.7 5A47,7
81/49 870.2 5d57,7
256/147 960.4 5m57,7
441/256 941.6 5M57,7
49/27 1031.8 5A57,7
96/49 1164.3 5d67,7
3969/2048 1145.5 5P67,7

We look at the interval classes with major and minor again. After modification by 64/63, the minor 5second becomes 8/7, the major 5second 7/6, the minor 5fifth 12/7, and the major 5fifth 7/4. In the 5-limit, a major third and a minor third are stacked to make triads. A similar system works here, where a stack of a major and minor 5second gives the 6:7:8 triad dividing 4/3. The 7/6 and 8/7 intervals contrast by 49/48, analogous to how 5/4 and 6/5. A minor version of the 6:7:8 triad can be obtained by swapping the order of the 7/6 and 8/7, which leads to 1/(8:7:6) = 21:24:28. Perhaps surprisingly, these chords are better constructed by stacking 5fifths rather than 5seconds. The stacked intervals are now the 7/4 major 5fifth and the 12/7 minor 5fifth, which reach the 3/1 perfect 5ninth. This voicing avoids the dominant-seventh-like tension of 6:7:8 and places the root on the bottom, while keeping the contrast by 49/48.

Interval classification would be much simpler if the Pythagorean intervals were equated with their simpler septimal counterparts; this occurs in superpyth temperament, where 64/63 is tempered out.

With similar constructions, larger chords can be constructed, including a version of the dominant seventh chord; however, this is beyond the scope of this page.

Ratios of 5

Now, we will look at ratios of 5. The most salient fact is that 5/4 and 6/5 are no longer in the same interval category; 6/5 is a 5second, while 5/4 is a 5third.

Ratios with a factor of 5
Ratio Cents Interval name
(Pentatonic)
81/80 21.5 5P15
16/15 111.7 5A15
135/128 92.2 5d25
10/9 182.4 5m25
6/5 315.6 5M25
512/405 405.9 5A25
5/4 386.3 5d35
27/20 519.6 5P35
64/45 609.8 5A35
45/32 590.2 5d45
40/27 680.4 5P45
8/5 813.7 5A45
405/256 794.1 5d55
5/3 884.4 5m55
9/5 1017.6 5M55
256/135 1107.8 5A55
15/8 1088.3 5d65
160/81 1178.5 5P65
Ratios with two factors of 5 (incorrect right now)
Ratio Cents Interval name
(Pentatonic)
4096/3969 54.5 5P17,7
49/48 35.7 5A17,7
54/49 168.2 5d27,7
512/441 258.4 5m27,7
147/128 239.6 5M27,7
512/405 405.9 5A25
64/49 462.3 5d37,7
1323/1024 443.5 5P37,7
49/36 533.7 5A37,7
72/49 666.3 5d47,7
2048/1323 756.5 5P47,7
49/32 737.7 5A47,7
405/256 794.1 5d55
256/147 960.4 5m57,7
441/256 941.6 5M57,7
49/27 1031.8 5A57,7
96/49 1164.3 5d67,7
3969/2048 1145.5 5P67,7