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Revision as of 00:01, 26 February 2025

A major third is an interval that is near 400 cents in size, distinct from the minor third of roughly 300 cents. A rough tuning range for the major third is about 360 to 460 cents, though this is extremely wide; some might prefer to restrict it to around 370-440 cents as in Schulter's theory of interval regions. Flat of major thirds (but sharp of minor thirds) are neutral thirds.

"Major third" refers both to the ~370-450 cent range as a whole, and to a specific subdivision within it (about ~370-415 cents); major thirds sharp of this are often called "supermajor thirds".

"Major third" may also refer to the diatonic major third, which is an interval generated by stacking 4 fifths and is not the subject of this article.

In just intonation

3-limit intervals in the range of major thirds include the Pythagorean major third of 81/64, about 408 cents in size, which corresponds to the MOS-based interval category of the diatonic major third and is generated by stacking four just perfect fifths of 3/2, and the Pythagorean diminished fourth of 8192/6561, which is flat of 81/64 by one Pythagorean comma, and is about 384 cents in size.

Much simpler major thirds exist in higher limits, however, for example:

  • The 5-limit classical major third is a ratio of 5/4, and is about 386 cents.
  • The 7-limit supermajor third is a ratio of 9/7, and is about 435 cents.
  • The 11-limit neogothic major third is a ratio of 14/11, and is about 418 cents.
  • The 13-limit ultramajor third is a ratio of 13/10, and is about 454 cents.
    • There is also a 13-limit submajor third, which is a ratio of 26/21, and is about 370 cents.
  • The 17-limit submajor third is a ratio of 21/17, and is about 366 cents.

In EDOs

The following table lists the best tuning of 5/4 and 9/7, as well as other major thirds if present, in various significant EDOs.

EDO 5/4 9/7 Other major thirds
5 **
7 *** **
12 400c
15 400c **
16 375c 450c
17 *** 424c
19 379c 442c
22 382c 436c
24 400c 450c
25 384c 432c
26 369c 415c
27 400c 444c
29 372c 455c 414c 81/64, 14/11
31 388c 426c
34 388c 424c 459c 13/10
41 381c 439c 410c 81/64
53 385c 430c 362c 21/17, 408c 81/64, 452c 13/10

** These edos have an approximation to 9/7, but it's sharper than 460 cents, not really a major third.

*** These edos have an approximation to 5/4, but it's flatter than 360 cents, not really a major third.

In regular temperaments

The two simplest major 3rd ratios are 5/4 and 9/7. The following notable temperaments are generated by them:

Temperaments that use 5/4 as a generator

  • Magic, which generates 3/2 by stacking five 5/4s (octave-reduced).
  • Father, a very inaccurate temperament which equates 4/3 and 5/4 as a single "fourth-third" interval
  • Dicot, a somewhat inaccurate temperament which equates 5/4 and 6/5, tempering out the chromatic semitone that usually separates them

Temperaments that use 9/7 as a generator

  • TBD