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{{Infobox MOS}}
{{Infobox MOS}}
{{MOS intro|Other Names=saturnian}}  
{{MOS intro|Other Names=saturnian}}  
Due to its minor third generator, this scale contains 2 diminished triads. [[Basic]] saturnian is in [[7edf]], an approximation of [[12edo]], which allows for playing regular music and saturnian music at the same time. 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩ is the parent of the 3/2-repeating [[macrodiatonic and microdiatonic scales|microdiatonic scale]], [[5L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|5L 2s⟨3/2⟩]], and the sister of [[3L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|3L 2s⟨3/2⟩]] (uranian) which is generated by a subminor third rather than a minor third.
 
The name saturnian was coined by [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]], referring to the sister MOS of [[3L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|uranian]].
 
This scale contains 2 diminished triads represented by stacks of the minor third generator.[[Basic]] saturnian is in [[7edf]], a very close approximation of [[12edo]], which allows for playing diatonic music and saturnian music at the same time. 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩ is the parent of the 3/2-repeating [[macrodiatonic and microdiatonic scales|microdiatonic scale]], [[5L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|5L 2s⟨3/2⟩]], and the sister of [[3L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|3L 2s⟨3/2⟩]] (uranian) which is generated by a subminor third rather than a minor third.  


== Notation ==
== Notation ==
The main way of notating the saturnian scale is using a 3/2-repeating notation consisting of 5 naturals. The notation used in this article is J Dionian is the JKLMN.
The main way of notating the saturnian scale is using a 3/2-repeating notation consisting of 5 naturals. The notation used in this article is the [[diamond MOS notation]].


=== Intervals ===
=== Intervals ===
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== Theory ==
== Theory ==
2L 3s⟨3/2⟩ can be interpreted as the [[nonoctave]] [[regular temperament]] named [[subgroup temperaments#pythium|pythium]] by [[User:CompactStar]], tempering out [[81/80]] in the 3/2.4.5 subgroup. This is the simplest 3/2-equivalent temperament not containing octaves. Because the 3/2-reduced 5th harmonic of [[40/27]] is conflated with the just perfect fifth, the CTE generator of this temperament is exactly the [[32/27]] Pythagorean minor third. The best extension of pythium to the 3/2.4.5.7 subgroup adds [[64/63]] to the comma list, making the CTE generator slightly flatter than 32/27, about 286 cents. Although the most accurate pythium generators are near 32/27, pythium can be tuned with minor thirds as sharp as that of [[11edf]]'s (319 cents).
=== Temperament interpretations==
From a [[half-prime subgroup]] point of view, 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩ can be interpreted as the [[Sirius B]] temperament, where the minor third generator is represented by ~[[25/21]] and 2 of them make ~[[7/5]]. It may also be interpreted as [[meanquad]] temperament using a period of [[3/2]] rather than [[4/1]], where the minor third generator is represented by [[32/27]]~[[6/5]] (in the CTE tuning, it is exactly 32/27). Both temperaments have very similar generators.
 
 
== Modes ==
== Modes ==
The mode names are based on the 6 largest satellites of Saturn, excluding Titan since the "Titanian" name has been used for the [[3L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|uranian scale]].
The mode names are based on the 6 largest satellites of Saturn, excluding Titan since the "Titanian" name has been used for the [[3L 2s (3/2-equivalent)|uranian scale]].
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== Scale tree ==
== Scale tree ==
{{Scale tree|Comments=5/4:Optimal 3/2.4.5.7 pythium around here;8/5:Near-just 32/27, optimal 3/2.4.5 pythium around here;2/1:Augmented 8-mosstep is nearly an octave;1/0:Degenerate scale with only 2 tones}}
{{Scale tree|Comments=11/7: [[CTE tuning]] for Sirius B temperament (293.825¢); 8/5: Pythagorean minor third (294.135¢); }}


[[Category:Nonoctave]]
[[Category:Nonoctave]]
[[Category:5-tone scales]]
[[Category:5-tone scales]]

Revision as of 04:40, 8 February 2024

↖ 1L 2s⟨3/2⟩ ↑ 2L 2s⟨3/2⟩ 3L 2s⟨3/2⟩ ↗
← 1L 3s⟨3/2⟩ 2L 3s (3/2-equivalent) 3L 3s⟨3/2⟩ →
↙ 1L 4s⟨3/2⟩ ↓ 2L 4s⟨3/2⟩ 3L 4s⟨3/2⟩ ↘
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│║│║│││
│││││││
└┴┴┴┴┴┘
Scale structure
Step pattern LsLss
ssLsL
Equave 3/2 (702.0 ¢)
Period 3/2 (702.0 ¢)
Generator size(edf)
Bright 2\5 to 1\2 (280.8 ¢ to 351.0 ¢)
Dark 1\2 to 3\5 (351.0 ¢ to 421.2 ¢)
Related MOS scales
Parent 2L 1s⟨3/2⟩
Sister 3L 2s⟨3/2⟩
Daughters 5L 2s⟨3/2⟩, 2L 5s⟨3/2⟩
Neutralized 4L 1s⟨3/2⟩
2-Flought 7L 3s⟨3/2⟩, 2L 8s⟨3/2⟩
Equal tunings(edf)
Equalized (L:s = 1:1) 2\5 (280.8 ¢)
Supersoft (L:s = 4:3) 7\17 (289.0 ¢)
Soft (L:s = 3:2) 5\12 (292.5 ¢)
Semisoft (L:s = 5:3) 8\19 (295.6 ¢)
Basic (L:s = 2:1) 3\7 (300.8 ¢)
Semihard (L:s = 5:2) 7\16 (307.1 ¢)
Hard (L:s = 3:1) 4\9 (312.0 ¢)
Superhard (L:s = 4:1) 5\11 (319.1 ¢)
Collapsed (L:s = 1:0) 1\2 (351.0 ¢)

2L 3s⟨3/2⟩, also called saturnian, is a 3/2-equivalent (fifth-equivalent) moment of symmetry scale containing 2 large steps and 3 small steps, repeating every interval of 3/2 (702.0 ¢). Generators that produce this scale range from 280.8 ¢ to 351 ¢, or from 351 ¢ to 421.2 ¢.

The name saturnian was coined by CompactStar, referring to the sister MOS of uranian.

This scale contains 2 diminished triads represented by stacks of the minor third generator.Basic saturnian is in 7edf, a very close approximation of 12edo, which allows for playing diatonic music and saturnian music at the same time. 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩ is the parent of the 3/2-repeating microdiatonic scale, 5L 2s⟨3/2⟩, and the sister of 3L 2s⟨3/2⟩ (uranian) which is generated by a subminor third rather than a minor third.

Notation

The main way of notating the saturnian scale is using a 3/2-repeating notation consisting of 5 naturals. The notation used in this article is the diamond MOS notation.

Intervals

MOS degrees is deprecated. Please use Template:MOS tunings instead.
Scale degree of 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩
Scale degree On J 7edf (Basic, L:s = 2:1) 9edf (Hard, L:s = 3:1) 12edf (Soft, L:s = 3:2) Approx. JI Ratios
Steps Cents Steps Cents Steps Cents
Perfect 0-mosdegree (unison) J 0 0 0 0 0 0 1/1 (exact)
Minor 1-mosdegree K 1 100.3 1 78 2 117
Major 1-mosdegree K& 2 200.6 3 234 3 175.5
Diminished 2-mosdegree L@ 2 200.6 2 156 4 234
Perfect 2-mosdegree L 3 300.8 4 312 5 292.5
Perfect 3-mosdegree M 4 401.1 5 390 7 409.5
Augmented 3-mosdegree M& 5 501.4 7 546 8 468
Minor 4-mosdegree N@ 5 501.4 6 468 9 526.5
Major 4-mosdegree N 6 601.7 8 624 10 585
Perfect 5-mosdegree (equave) J 7 702 9 702 12 702 3/2 (exact)

Genchain

-4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4
d2ms m4ms m1ms P3ms P0ms P2ms M4ms M1ms A3ms

Theory

= Temperament interpretations

From a half-prime subgroup point of view, 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩ can be interpreted as the Sirius B temperament, where the minor third generator is represented by ~25/21 and 2 of them make ~7/5. It may also be interpreted as meanquad temperament using a period of 3/2 rather than 4/1, where the minor third generator is represented by 32/27~6/5 (in the CTE tuning, it is exactly 32/27). Both temperaments have very similar generators.


Modes

The mode names are based on the 6 largest satellites of Saturn, excluding Titan since the "Titanian" name has been used for the uranian scale.

Modes of 2L 3s⟨3/2⟩
UDP Cyclic
order
Step
pattern
4|0 1 LsLss
3|1 3 LssLs
2|2 5 sLsLs
1|3 2 sLssL
0|4 4 ssLsL

Scale tree

Template:Scale tree