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'''{{monzo|46 -29}}''', the '''mystery comma''' or '''29-comma''' of 43.305 cents, is the difference between 46 octaves and 29 fifths, in other words 2<sup>46</sup>/3<sup>29</sup>.  When treated as an interval in its own right, there are actually two very good descriptive names for this interval. Firstly, and most obviously, it can be called the '''Pythagorean quadruple-diminished fourth''', however, because it is also almost exactly half of the traditional [[Pythagorean limma]] (a stack of two mystery commas differing from the limma by [[Mercator's comma]]) in addition to being displaced from the unison's scale degree by three, one can also call this interval the '''Pythagorean tridietic semilimma'''.
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">|46 -29&gt;, the 29-comma of 43.305 cents, is the difference between 24 octaves and 41 fifths, in other words 2^24/(3/2)^41. EDOs less than 1300 temper out the 41-comma if and only if 41 divides them. Examples are [[41edo]], [[164edo]], [[205edo]], [[246edo]], [[328edo]] and [[369edo]].</pre></div>
 
<h4>Original HTML content:</h4>
== Temperaments ==
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;29-comma&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;|46 -29&amp;gt;, the 29-comma of 43.305 cents, is the difference between 24 octaves and 41 fifths, in other words 2^24/(3/2)^41. EDOs less than 1300 temper out the 41-comma if and only if 41 divides them. Examples are &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo"&gt;41edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/164edo"&gt;164edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/205edo"&gt;205edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/246edo"&gt;246edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/328edo"&gt;328edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/369edo"&gt;369edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
Tempering out this comma splits the octave into 29 equal parts and maps the harmonic 3 to 17\29, leading to the 5-limit version of [[Mystery|mystery temperament]]. For EDOs up to 400, the 29-comma is tempered out if and only if 29 divides it, for example [[29edo]], [[58edo]] or [[87edo]].
 
== See also ==
* [[Medium comma]]
* [[29th-octave temperaments]]
 
[[Category:29edo]]
[[Category:Mystery]]
[[Category:Commas with unknown etymology]]

Latest revision as of 01:26, 29 January 2025

Interval information
Ratio 70368744177664/68630377364883
Factorization 246 × 3-29
Monzo [46 -29
Size in cents 43.30497¢
Names mystery comma,
29-comma,
Pythagorean quadruple-diminished fourth,
Pythagorean tridietic semilimma
Color name Wa-29, s4w4
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{dddd4} }[/math]
Special properties reduced,
reduced subharmonic
Tenney height (log2 nd) 91.9639
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 92
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 179
Comma size medium
Open this interval in xen-calc

[46 -29, the mystery comma or 29-comma of 43.305 cents, is the difference between 46 octaves and 29 fifths, in other words 246/329. When treated as an interval in its own right, there are actually two very good descriptive names for this interval. Firstly, and most obviously, it can be called the Pythagorean quadruple-diminished fourth, however, because it is also almost exactly half of the traditional Pythagorean limma (a stack of two mystery commas differing from the limma by Mercator's comma) in addition to being displaced from the unison's scale degree by three, one can also call this interval the Pythagorean tridietic semilimma.

Temperaments

Tempering out this comma splits the octave into 29 equal parts and maps the harmonic 3 to 17\29, leading to the 5-limit version of mystery temperament. For EDOs up to 400, the 29-comma is tempered out if and only if 29 divides it, for example 29edo, 58edo or 87edo.

See also