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'''Octave reduction''' is the process of ~~transposing~~ an interval by [[~~octave~~]]~~s so that the resulted size falls~~ between the [[unison]] and the [[octave]]. ~~Formally~~, this ~~means multiplying the [[frequency ratio]] with a whole-number power of 2 until it has a real-number value greater~~ or ~~equal than 1 ("[[1/1]]",~~ the ~~unison) and less than 2 ("[[2/1]]", the octave):~~

'''Octave reduction''' is the process of replacing an [[interval]] by the unique [[Equivalence|equivalent]] interval between the [[unison]] and the [[octave]]. In practice, this is done by adding or subtracting octaves from the starting interval as necessary.

~~1 <~~= ~~r < 2~~

== Practical methods ==

An easy way to find the reduced form of an interval is to use a specialized calculator such as [[xen-calc]]. This is especially useful when working with very complex ratios.

~~If ''r'' does not satisfy this inequality~~, ~~it has to be~~

There are also several methods that can be followed. The choice of an appropriate method depends on the [[interval size measure]] being used: [[Interval size measure#ratio|linear measures]] (e.g. [[ratio|frequency ratios]]), or [[Interval size measure#logarithmic|logarithmic measures]] (e.g. scale steps or [[cent]]s).

* multiplied by 2 while less than 1 or

* divided by 2 while greater than or ~~equal to 2~~

== ~~Examples~~ ==

=== Linear measures ===

Stacking intervals expressed as ratios corresponds to multiplying those ratios. For instance, going up an octave means multiplying by 2, while going down an octave means dividing by 2.

* 3/4 is less than 1, so multiply by 2 to get [[3/2]]

# If the starting interval is greater or equal to the unison (1) and less than the octave (2), it is already in reduced form.

* 7/2 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get [[7/4]]

# If the starting interval is less than 1, multiply it by 2. Repeat until the resulting interval is greater than 1.

* 4/2 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get 2, which is equal to 2, so divide by 2 to get 1

# If the starting interval is greater than 2, divide it by 2. Repeat until the resulting interval is less than 2.

* Adding 4 fifths ~~corresponds to calculating the product of 4 time~~ ([[3/2]] ~~the interval ratio~~) ~~leading~~ to 81/16~~. This interval~~ (5.0625 ~~in decimal representation~~) is greater than 2 octaves <~~code style="white-space: nowrap;"~~>~~(2*2 = 2^~~2 = 4)~~</code>~~, but less than 3 octaves <~~code style="white-space: nowrap;"~~>~~(2*2*2 = 2^~~3 ~~= 8)~~</~~code~~>~~. So it gets divided by 2 (or multiplied by 1/2) two times: <code style~~=~~"white-space: nowrap;">(81/16~~)*(1/2~~)*(1/2) = 81 / (16*2*2) =~~ [[81/64]]~~</code>~~

* Subtracting a fourth ([[4/3]]) from minor third [[6/5]] corresponds to ~~dividing~~ 6/5 by 4/3 ~~which~~ is the same as <~~code style~~=~~"white~~-~~space~~: ~~nowrap;"~~>(6/5)*(3/4) = 18/20 = 9/10</~~code~~>. The ~~result~~ (0.9 ~~in decimal representation)~~ is less than ~~1 but greater than 1~~/2 (~~which mean~~ ''~~one octave down~~''). ~~So it gets multiplied by~~ 2 ~~once~~: <~~code style~~=~~"white~~-~~space~~: ~~nowrap;"~~>9/10*2 = 18/~~10 = [[9~~/~~5]]~~</~~code~~>.

Examples:

* 3/4 is less than 1, so multiply by 2 to get 3/2.

* 7/2 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get 7/4.

* 4/1 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get 2/1, which is equal to 2, so divide by 2 to get 1/1.

* Adding 4 just perfect fifths ([[3/2]]) corresponds to (3/2)4, thus 81/16 (or 5.0625), which is greater than 2 octaves (22 = 4), but less than 3 octaves (23 = 8), so divide by 2 twice to get [[81/64]].

* Subtracting a just perfect fourth ([[4/3]]) from a classic minor third [[6/5]] corresponds to 6/5 divided by 4/3, thus 9/10 (or 0.9). This interval is less than a unison (20 = 1) but greater than one octave down (2-1 = 1/2), so multiply by 2 once to get 9/5.

=== Logarithmic measures ===

Stacking intervals expressed with logarithmic measures corresponds to adding those measures. For instance, when working in cents, going up an octave means adding 1200 ¢, while going down an octave means subtracting 1200 ¢.

# Find the logarithmic measure of the octave in the same unit as the one used for your starting interval; e.g. 1200 ¢, 19 steps of 19edo, 1900 [[Relative cent|r¢]], etc.

# If the starting interval is positive and less than the octave (e.g. 1200 ¢), it is already in reduced form.

# If the starting interval is negative, add the octave. Repeat until the result is positive.

# If the starting interval is greater than the octave, subtract the octave. Repeat until the result is less than the octave.

Examples:

* 1442¢ is greater than 1200 ¢, so subtract 1200 ¢ to get 242 ¢.

* In 31edo, the octave is 31 steps and the [[patent val]] of the [[5/1|fifth harmonic]] is 72 (steps). This interval is greater than the octave, so subtract 31 to get 41, so subtract 31 again to get 10.

== General formulas ==

=== Linear measures ===

For a starting interval <math>r</math> expressed as a ratio, the reduced form <math>\text{red}(r)</math> of that interval can be found using this formula: <math>\text{red}(r) = r \cdot 2^{-\left\lfloor{\log_2 r}\right\rfloor}</math>.

Example:

* Octave-reducing 4900/243 can be done by using the formula with <math>r = 4900/243</math>: <math>\begin{align}\text{red}(4900/243) &= 4900/243 \cdot 2^{-\left\lfloor{\log_2 4900/243}\right\rfloor} \\

&= 4900/243 \cdot 2^{-\left\lfloor{4.33375\ldots}\right\rfloor} \\

&= 4900/243 \cdot 2^{-4} \\

&= 4900/243 \cdot 1/16 \\

&= 1225/972\end{align}</math>

=== Logarithmic measures ===

For a starting interval <math>l</math> and octave <math>e</math> expressed in the same units, the reduced form <math>\text{red}(l, e)</math> of that interval can be found using this formula: <math>\text{red}(l, e) = r \bmod e</math>, where <math>\bmod</math> is the modulo operation.

Example:

* Octave-reducing 412 steps of 97edo can be done by using the formula with <math>r = 412</math>, <math>e = 97</math>: <math>\begin{align}\text{red}(412, 97) &= 412 \bmod 97 \\

&= 24\end{align}</math>

This formula can also be written without the modulo operation: <math>\text{red}(l, e) = r - e\left\lfloor{l/e}\right\rfloor</math>.

Example:

* Octave-reducing 412 steps of 97edo again: <math>\begin{align}\text{red}(412, 97) &= 412 - 97\left\lfloor{412/97}\right\rfloor \\

&= 412 - 97\left\lfloor{4.24742\ldots}\right\rfloor \\

&= 412 - 97 \cdot 4 \\

&= 412 - 388 \\

&= 24\end{align}</math>

== Generalizations ==

=== Other equaves ===

Octave reduction is mainly used in the context of octave-equivalent tunings (eg. [[12edo]]), where equivalent notes are separated by octaves. However, this operation can be generalized to any [[Periodic scale|periodic tuning]] by replacing the octave by the interval of equivalence or ''[[equave]]'' of that tuning.

For example, '''tritave reduction''' is the analog of octave reduction in a tritave-equivalent tuning (eg. [[Bohlen–Pierce]]), where the equave is the [[tritave]]. Therefore, a tritave-reduced interval is always obtained through transposition by tritaves, and the reduced interval lies between the unison (1/1) and the tritave (3/1).

The general formula for an interval <math>r</math> and an equave <math>e</math> is as follows: <math>\text{red}(r, e) = r \cdot e^{-\left\lfloor{\log_e r}\right\rfloor}</math>. Note that <math>e</math> is a variable and not Euler's number.

Examples:

* Consider a tritave-equivalent tuning; 7/9 is less than 3, so multiply by 3 to get 7/3.

* Consider a just perfect fifth-equivalent tuning; <math>\text{red}(81/64, 3/2) = 81/64 \cdot (3/2)^{-\left\lfloor{\log_{3/2} 81/64}\right\rfloor} = 1</math>.

* In the equal-tempered Bohlen–Pierce tuning, a tritave can be expressed as 1300 hekts and a BP fifth down as -500 hekts. This interval is less than the unison, so add 1300 hekts to get 800 hekts.

=== Balanced reduction ===

'''Balanced reduction''' is an alternate operation where the values are equally distributed around the unison instead of being situated between the unison and the octave (or the equave).

Examples:

* Balanced octave-reduction with ratios will lead to values greater than or equal to <math>\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}</math>, but less than <math>\sqrt{2}</math>.

* Balanced octave-reduction with cents will lead to values greater than or equal to -600 ¢, but less than 600 ¢.

* Balanced tritave-reduction with ratios will lead to values greater than or equal to <math>\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}</math>, but less than <math>\sqrt{3}</math>.

Here are some formulas for balanced reduction:

* Balanced octave-reduction of an interval <math>r</math> expressed as a ratio: <math>\text{reb}(r)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \text{red}(\sqrt{2} \cdot \text{red}(r))</math><ref>misotanni, [https://misotanni.github.io/fjs/en/crash.html#lesson-0 The FJS Crash Course]</ref>.

* Balanced reduction of an interval <math>r</math> and an equave <math>e</math> expressed as ratios: <math>\text{reb}(r, e)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{e}} \text{red}(\sqrt{e} \cdot \text{red}(r, e), e)</math>.

* Balanced reduction of an interval <math>l</math> and an equave <math>e</math> expressed as logarithmic measures in the same units: <math>\text{reb}(l, e)= \text{red}(\text{red}(l, e) + e/2, e) - e/2</math>.

== See also ==

* [[Octave complement]]

* [[Octave]]

== References ==

* ~~[[Octave complement]]~~

== External links ==

* https://forum.sagittal.org/viewtopic.php?p=1296 (thread on mathematical functions)

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-'''Octave reduction''' is the process of transposing an interval by [[octave]]s so that the resulted size falls between the [[unison]] and the [[octave]]. Formally, this means multiplying the [[frequency ratio]] with a whole-number power of 2 until it has a real-number value greater or equal than 1 ("[[1/1]]", the unison) and less than 2 ("[[2/1]]", the octave):
+'''Octave reduction''' is the process of replacing an [[interval]] by the unique [[Equivalence|equivalent]] interval between the [[unison]] and the [[octave]]. In practice, this is done by adding or subtracting octaves from the starting interval as necessary.
-<= r < 2
+== Practical methods ==
+An easy way to find the reduced form of an interval is to use a specialized calculator such as [[xen-calc]]. This is especially useful when working with very complex ratios.
-If ''r'' does not satisfy this inequality, it has to be
+There are also several methods that can be followed. The choice of an appropriate method depends on the [[interval size measure]] being used: [[Interval size measure#ratio|linear measures]] (e.g. [[ratio|frequency ratios]]), or [[Interval size measure#logarithmic|logarithmic measures]] (e.g. scale steps or [[cent]]s).
-* multiplied by 2 while less than 1 or
-* divided by 2 while greater than or equal to 2
-== Examples ==
+=== Linear measures ===
+Stacking intervals expressed as ratios corresponds to multiplying those ratios. For instance, going up an octave means multiplying by 2, while going down an octave means dividing by 2.
-* 3/4 is less than 1, so multiply by 2 to get [[3/2]]
+# If the starting interval is greater or equal to the unison (1) and less than the octave (2), it is already in reduced form.
-* 7/2 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get [[7/4]]
+# If the starting interval is less than 1, multiply it by 2. Repeat until the resulting interval is greater than 1.
-* 4/2 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get 2, which is equal to 2, so divide by 2 to get 1
+# If the starting interval is greater than 2, divide it by 2. Repeat until the resulting interval is less than 2.
-* Adding 4 fifths corresponds to calculating the product of 4 time ([[3/2]] the interval ratio) leading to 81/16. This interval (5.0625 in decimal representation) is greater than 2 octaves <code style="white-space: nowrap;">(2*2 = 2^2 = 4)</code>, but less than 3 octaves <code style="white-space: nowrap;">(2*2*2 = 2^3 = 8)</code>. So it gets divided by 2 (or multiplied by 1/2) two times: <code style="white-space: nowrap;">(81/16)*(1/2)*(1/2) = 81 / (16*2*2) = [[81/64]]</code>
-* Subtracting a fourth ([[4/3]]) from minor third [[6/5]] corresponds to dividing 6/5 by 4/3 which is the same as <code style="white-space: nowrap;">(6/5)*(3/4) = 18/20 = 9/10</code>. The result (0.9 in decimal representation) is less than 1 but greater than 1/2 (which mean ''one octave down''). So it gets multiplied by 2 once: <code style="white-space: nowrap;">9/10*2 = 18/10 = [[9/5]]</code>.
+Examples:
+* 3/4 is less than 1, so multiply by 2 to get 3/2.
+* 7/2 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get 7/4.
+* 4/1 is greater than 2, so divide by 2 to get 2/1, which is equal to 2, so divide by 2 to get 1/1.
+* Adding 4 just perfect fifths ([[3/2]]) corresponds to (3/2)<sup>4</sup>, thus 81/16 (or 5.0625), which is greater than 2 octaves (2<sup>2</sup> = 4), but less than 3 octaves (2<sup>3</sup> = 8), so divide by 2 twice to get [[81/64]].
+* Subtracting a just perfect fourth ([[4/3]]) from a classic minor third [[6/5]] corresponds to 6/5 divided by 4/3, thus 9/10 (or 0.9). This interval is less than a unison (2<sup>0</sup> = 1) but greater than one octave down (2<sup>-1</sup> = 1/2), so multiply by 2 once to get 9/5.
+=== Logarithmic measures ===
+Stacking intervals expressed with logarithmic measures corresponds to adding those measures. For instance, when working in cents, going up an octave means adding 1200 ¢, while going down an octave means subtracting 1200 ¢.
+# Find the logarithmic measure of the octave in the same unit as the one used for your starting interval; e.g. 1200 ¢, 19 steps of 19edo, 1900 [[Relative cent|r¢]], etc.
+# If the starting interval is positive and less than the octave (e.g. 1200 ¢), it is already in reduced form.
+# If the starting interval is negative, add the octave. Repeat until the result is positive.
+# If the starting interval is greater than the octave, subtract the octave. Repeat until the result is less than the octave.
+Examples:
+* 1442¢ is greater than 1200 ¢, so subtract 1200 ¢ to get 242 ¢.
+* In 31edo, the octave is 31 steps and the [[patent val]] of the [[5/1|fifth harmonic]] is 72 (steps). This interval is greater than the octave, so subtract 31 to get 41, so subtract 31 again to get 10.
+== General formulas ==
+=== Linear measures ===
+For a starting interval <math>r</math> expressed as a ratio, the reduced form <math>\text{red}(r)</math> of that interval can be found using this formula: <math>\text{red}(r) = r \cdot 2^{-\left\lfloor{\log_2 r}\right\rfloor}</math>.
+Example:
+* Octave-reducing 4900/243 can be done by using the formula with <math>r = 4900/243</math>:<br><math>\begin{align}\text{red}(4900/243) &= 4900/243 \cdot 2^{-\left\lfloor{\log_2 4900/243}\right\rfloor} \\
+&= 4900/243 \cdot 2^{-\left\lfloor{4.33375\ldots}\right\rfloor} \\
+&= 4900/243 \cdot 2^{-4} \\
+&= 4900/243 \cdot 1/16 \\
+&= 1225/972\end{align}</math>
+=== Logarithmic measures ===
+For a starting interval <math>l</math> and octave <math>e</math> expressed in the same units, the reduced form <math>\text{red}(l, e)</math> of that interval can be found using this formula: <math>\text{red}(l, e) = r \bmod e</math>, where <math>\bmod</math> is the modulo operation.
+Example:
+* Octave-reducing 412 steps of 97edo can be done by using the formula with <math>r = 412</math>, <math>e = 97</math>:<br><math>\begin{align}\text{red}(412, 97) &= 412 \bmod 97 \\
+&= 24\end{align}</math>
+This formula can also be written without the modulo operation: <math>\text{red}(l, e) = r - e\left\lfloor{l/e}\right\rfloor</math>.
+Example:
+* Octave-reducing 412 steps of 97edo again:<br><math>\begin{align}\text{red}(412, 97) &= 412 - 97\left\lfloor{412/97}\right\rfloor \\
+&= 412 - 97\left\lfloor{4.24742\ldots}\right\rfloor \\
+&= 412 - 97 \cdot 4 \\
+&= 412 - 388 \\
+&= 24\end{align}</math>
+== Generalizations ==
+=== Other equaves ===
+Octave reduction is mainly used in the context of octave-equivalent tunings (eg. [[12edo]]), where equivalent notes are separated by octaves. However, this operation can be generalized to any [[Periodic scale|periodic tuning]] by replacing the octave by the interval of equivalence or  ''[[equave]]'' of that tuning.
+For example, '''tritave reduction''' is the analog of octave reduction in a tritave-equivalent tuning (eg. [[Bohlen–Pierce]]), where the equave is the [[tritave]]. Therefore, a tritave-reduced interval is always obtained through transposition by tritaves, and the reduced interval lies between the unison (1/1) and the tritave (3/1).
+The general formula for an interval <math>r</math> and an equave <math>e</math> is as follows: <math>\text{red}(r, e) = r \cdot e^{-\left\lfloor{\log_e r}\right\rfloor}</math>. Note that <math>e</math> is a variable and not Euler's number.
+Examples:
+* Consider a tritave-equivalent tuning; 7/9 is less than 3, so multiply by 3 to get 7/3.
+* Consider a just perfect fifth-equivalent tuning; <math>\text{red}(81/64, 3/2) = 81/64 \cdot (3/2)^{-\left\lfloor{\log_{3/2} 81/64}\right\rfloor} = 1</math>.
+* In the equal-tempered Bohlen–Pierce tuning, a tritave can be expressed as 1300 hekts and a BP fifth down as -500 hekts. This interval is less than the unison, so add 1300 hekts to get 800 hekts.
+=== Balanced reduction ===
+'''Balanced reduction''' is an alternate operation where the values are equally distributed around the unison instead of being situated between the unison and the octave (or the equave).
+Examples:
+* Balanced octave-reduction with ratios will lead to values greater than or equal to <math>\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}</math>, but less than <math>\sqrt{2}</math>.
+* Balanced octave-reduction with cents will lead to values greater than or equal to -600 ¢, but less than 600 ¢.
+* Balanced tritave-reduction with ratios will lead to values greater than or equal to <math>\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}</math>, but less than <math>\sqrt{3}</math>.
+Here are some formulas for balanced reduction:
+* Balanced octave-reduction of an interval <math>r</math> expressed as a ratio: <math>\text{reb}(r)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \text{red}(\sqrt{2} \cdot \text{red}(r))</math><ref>misotanni, [https://misotanni.github.io/fjs/en/crash.html#lesson-0 The FJS Crash Course]</ref>.
+* Balanced reduction of an interval <math>r</math> and an equave <math>e</math> expressed as ratios: <math>\text{reb}(r, e)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{e}} \text{red}(\sqrt{e} \cdot \text{red}(r, e), e)</math>.
+* Balanced reduction of an interval <math>l</math> and an equave <math>e</math> expressed as logarithmic measures in the same units: <math>\text{reb}(l, e)= \text{red}(\text{red}(l, e) + e/2, e) - e/2</math>.
 == See also ==
+* [[Octave complement]]
-* [[Octave]]
+== References ==
-* [[Octave complement]]
+<references />
+== External links ==
+* https://forum.sagittal.org/viewtopic.php?p=1296 (thread on mathematical functions)
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+[[Category:Elementary math]]
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