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{{Wikipedia|Major second}}
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|1 -2 1&gt;
182.40371 cents
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In [[5-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 10/9 is a small whole tone of about 182.4¢. It is a [[superparticular]] interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is [[9_8|9/8]] (about 203.9¢), which is [[81_80|81/80]] (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to [[12edo]]'s single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.
In [[5-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''10/9''' is the '''small''', '''classic(al)''', or '''ptolemaic whole tone'''<ref>For reference, see [[5-limit]]. </ref> of about 182.4¢. It is a [[superparticular]] interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is [[9/8]] (about 203.9¢), which is [[81/80]] (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to [[12edo]]'s single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.


The first three notes of a JI major scale -- 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 -- move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9. In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, [[19edo]], [[31edo]] and other [[meantone]] systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference is tiny and hard to notice at first.
The first three notes of a JI major scale 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9 (or alternatively 1/1, 10/9, 5/4 – move by a step of 10/9 followed by a step of 9/8). In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, [[19edo]], [[31edo]] and other [[meantone]] systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference may be hard to notice at first.


See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]</pre></div>
== Temperaments ==
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The following [[linear temperament]]s are [[generate]]d by a [[~]]10/9:
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* [[Porcupine]]
|1 -2 1&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Minortone]]
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In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 10/9 is a small whole tone of about 182.4¢. It is a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/superparticular"&gt;superparticular&lt;/a&gt; interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/9_8"&gt;9/8&lt;/a&gt; (about 203.9¢), which is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/81_80"&gt;81/80&lt;/a&gt; (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;'s single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.&lt;br /&gt;
== See also ==  
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Decaononic]] - temperament which sets the tone to this interval, instead of to 9/8
The first three notes of a JI major scale -- 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 -- move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9. In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo"&gt;19edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31edo&lt;/a&gt; and other &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/meantone"&gt;meantone&lt;/a&gt; systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference is tiny and hard to notice at first.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[9/5]] – its [[octave complement]]
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[27/20]] – its [[fifth complement]]
See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intervals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
* [[6/5]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
 
== Notes ==
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[[Category:Second]]
[[Category:Whole tone]]
[[Category:Tritave-reduced harmonics]]

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Interval information
Ratio 10/9
Factorization 2 × 3-2 × 5
Monzo [1 -2 1
Size in cents 182.4037¢
Names small whole tone,
classic(al) whole tone,
ptolemaic whole tone
Color name y2, yo 2nd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M2}^{5} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney height (log2 nd) 6.49185
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 6.64386
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 13

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In 5-limit just intonation, 10/9 is the small, classic(al), or ptolemaic whole tone[1] of about 182.4¢. It is a superparticular interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is 9/8 (about 203.9¢), which is 81/80 (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to 12edo's single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.

The first three notes of a JI major scale – 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 – move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9 (or alternatively 1/1, 10/9, 5/4 – move by a step of 10/9 followed by a step of 9/8). In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, 19edo, 31edo and other meantone systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference may be hard to notice at first.

Temperaments

The following linear temperaments are generated by a ~10/9:

See also

Notes

  1. For reference, see 5-limit.