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== Getting the point (call for better examples) ==

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Is the Kees Height correct for the followinf examples?

== ~~Odd~~-~~limit ==~~

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"

~~Is this different from odd~~-~~limit? If so~~, ~~how?~~

! Interval

! Kees Height

! Deduction steps

|-

| 9/5

| 9

| max(9, 5) → 9

|-

| 10/9

| 9

| 10/9 → 5/9; max(5, 9) → 9

|-

| 15/14

| 15

| 15/14 → 15/7; max(15, 7) → 15

|-

| 28/15

| 15

| 28/15 → 7/15; max(7, 15) → 15

|}

- ~~'''mbattaglia1''' June 13, 2012, 12~~:42:~~25 PM~~ UTC~~-0700~~

Thanks for having a look! --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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: These (and more) examples are added in the article. I have read the text several times in the meantime and I think there is no longer any doubt about its meaning. Thanks again for your time, --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

~~Odd limit is a bound on complexity~~, ~~not a measure of it. 5/3 has kees height 5, but it's an interval of the 9 odd limit.~~

- ~~'''genewardsmith''' June 13, 2012, 02:21:22 PM UTC-0700~~

== Merge with odd-limit ==

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~~..and here is the wished example :-) I added this and a some more on the page. Did I understand it correctly?~~

- '''~~xenwolf~~''~~' June 14, 2012, 12~~:30:~~50 AM~~ UTC~~-0700~~

This is literally the same thing. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 18:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

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: Agreed. That implies keeping other terms like "Kees expressibility", for which I wonder if there are also equivalent terms around. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 21:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:: Thinking about this, the same thing could be said about [[Weil height]] and [[integer limit]], although the latter doesn't have a seperate page.

:: Not sure how to go about this symmetry. I'd rather keep Weil height as it is, since the various generalizations of it are quite useful 'integer limit' isn't used that often compared to odd limit. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:02, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

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-'''All discussion below is archived from the Wikispaces export in its original unaltered form.'''
-<span style="color:#800000">'''PLEASE MAKE ANY NEW COMMENTS <u>ABOVE</u> THIS SECTION.'''</span> Anything below here is for archival purposes only.
+== Getting the point (call for better examples) ==
-----
+Is the Kees Height correct for the followinf examples?
-== Odd-limit ==
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
-Is this different from odd-limit? If so, how?
+! Interval
+! Kees Height
+! Deduction steps
+|-
+| 9/5
+| 9
+| max(9, 5) &rarr; 9
+|-
+| 10/9
+| 9
+| 10/9 &rarr; 5/9; max(5, 9) &rarr; 9
+|-
+| 15/14
+| 15
+| 15/14 &rarr; 15/7; max(15, 7) &rarr; 15
+|-
+| 28/15
+| 15
+| 28/15 &rarr; 7/15; max(7, 15) &rarr; 15
+|}
-- '''mbattaglia1''' June 13, 2012, 12:42:25 PM UTC-0700
+Thanks for having a look! --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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+: These (and more) examples are added in the article. I have read the text several times in the meantime and I think there is no longer any doubt about its meaning. Thanks again for your time, --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
-Odd limit is a bound on complexity, not a measure of it. 5/3 has kees height 5, but it's an interval of the 9 odd limit.
-- '''genewardsmith''' June 13, 2012, 02:21:22 PM UTC-0700
+== Merge with odd-limit ==
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-..and here is the wished example :-) I added this and a some more on the page. Did I understand it correctly?
-- '''xenwolf''' June 14, 2012, 12:30:50 AM UTC-0700
+This is literally the same thing. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 18:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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+: Agreed. That implies keeping other terms like "Kees expressibility", for which I wonder if there are also equivalent terms around. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 21:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
+:: Thinking about this, the same thing could be said about [[Weil height]] and [[integer limit]], although the latter doesn't have a seperate page.
+:: Not sure how to go about this symmetry. I'd rather keep Weil height as it is, since the various generalizations of it are quite useful 'integer limit' isn't used that often compared to odd limit. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:02, 3 May 2025 (UTC)