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== Introduction ==

Fyi I initiated this project with a post in our FB group of mathematical theory a week ago, and I'm happy to discuss it either place. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

== Temperament names ==

Okay, so you want a the name for a Canou temperament 896/891 & 472392/471625? Well, let me start by saying that since I don't know how "Canou" is pronounced, I can't help but think from the spelling that it's pronounced like "canoe", and a canoe is a type of boat... If my suspicion is correct, then perhaps a number of the temperaments in this family ought to be named after boats... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, so you want a the name for a Canou temperament 896/891 & 472392/471625? Well, let me start by saying that since I don't know how "Canou" is pronounced, I can't help but think from the spelling that it's pronounced like "canoe", and a canoe is a type of boat... If my suspicion is correct, then perhaps a number of the temperaments in this family ought to be named after boats... --[[User:~~Aura~~|~~Aura~~]] ([[User talk:~~Aura~~|talk]]) 20:01, ~~3 October 2020~~ (UTC)

: Solved. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

== Relation between family and temperament ==

I tried to simplify linking in [[1131edo]], only now I see that there ''is'' a “Canou temperament” within this family. I'd find it better to start with an introduction that tells us something about the family; currently it's starting with the temperament, that's a bot confusing, at least or me. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

: Let's enforce this: the head temperament always needs a title, usually the same as the family name (no pun intended) (except for rare cases like keemic family). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

:: I agree, thanks for the clarification. I adjusted the link in [[1131edo]] accordingly. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

: Btw shall we drop the category "planar temperaments" in favor of "rank 3" since they mostly overlap but the latter is more consistent and a little bit more inclusive? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

:: If linear is rank-2, should the same idea apply there? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

::: Like is there a category called "linear temperaments" now? No. "Rank 2" is used throughout. I expect the same logic for rank 3. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

== From rank 3 to rank 2 Canou temperaments ==

Hey FloraC, are you planning on naming a few rank 2 temperaments based on the rank 3 temperaments you already have? I think these temperaments are quite interesting but I personally prefer rank 2 or rank 1 temperaments as they are easier to work with. --[[User:Userminusone|Userminusone]] ([[User talk:Userminusone|talk]]) 22:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

: There's a page to collect those: ''Canousmic temperaments''. Make sure you've seen that. And we can talk if you have new temperaments to propose. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== I wanna move on from this ==

I no longer feel attached to these temps as my focus shifted, altho 311edo remains one of my favorite tunings around its range. I've thought about a rename for a while but had no idea what to call it otherwise, until just now.

''Cathartic'', maybe, cuz that's the feeling I always associate with 28/27, and these temps were "designed" to have an abundance of it. The corresponding comma would be ''cathartic comma''. Semicanou would become ''semicathart'' and semicanousma be ''semicathartisma'' with corresponding rank-4 ''semicathartismic''. Deuteromere could be changed to ''semicathartic'' tho I'm not 100% sure about that. As for hemireiwa, first, it's a demi- rather than hemi-, and second, it tempers out the seascape comma, so ''seadeute'' might be an option. It's not very notable however, so I might as well just delete it.

I'll initiate the changes in a few days if no one has a problem…

I have another temp I might consider naming after myself, but I won't re-use any of these names.

I tried to simplify linking in [[1131edo]], only now I see that there ''is'' a “Canou temperament” within this family. I'd find it better to start with an introduction that tells us something about the family; currently it's starting with the temperament, that's a bot confusing, at least or me. --[[User:~~Xenwolf~~|~~Xenwolf~~]] ([[User talk:~~Xenwolf~~|talk]]) 16:07, ~~5 January 2021~~ (UTC)

—[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:44, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

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 == Introduction ==
 Fyi I initiated this project with a post in our FB group of mathematical theory a week ago, and I'm happy to discuss it either place. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 == Temperament names ==
+Okay, so you want a the name for a Canou temperament 896/891 & 472392/471625?  Well, let me start by saying that since I don't know how "Canou" is pronounced, I can't help but think from the spelling that it's pronounced like "canoe", and a canoe is a type of boat...  If my suspicion is correct, then perhaps a number of the temperaments in this family ought to be named after boats... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
-Okay, so you want a the name for a Canou temperament 896/891 & 472392/471625?  Well, let me start by saying that since I don't know how "Canou" is pronounced, I can't help but think from the spelling that it's pronounced like "canoe", and a canoe is a type of boat...  If my suspicion is correct, then perhaps a number of the temperaments in this family ought to be named after boats... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
+: Solved. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 == Relation between family and temperament ==
+I tried to simplify linking in [[1131edo]], only now I see that there ''is'' a “Canou temperament” within this family. I'd find it better to start with an introduction that tells us something about the family; currently it's starting with the temperament, that's a bot confusing, at least or me. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+: Let's enforce this: the head temperament always needs a title, usually the same as the family name (no pun intended) (except for rare cases like keemic family). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+:: I agree, thanks for the clarification. I adjusted the link in [[1131edo]] accordingly. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+: Btw shall we drop the category "planar temperaments" in favor of "rank 3" since they mostly overlap but the latter is more consistent and a little bit more inclusive? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+:: If linear is rank-2, should the same idea apply there? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+::: Like is there a category called "linear temperaments" now? No. "Rank 2" is used throughout. I expect the same logic for rank 3. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+== From rank 3 to rank 2 Canou temperaments ==
+Hey FloraC, are you planning on naming a few rank 2 temperaments based on the rank 3 temperaments you already have? I think these temperaments are quite interesting but I personally prefer rank 2 or rank 1 temperaments as they are easier to work with. --[[User:Userminusone|Userminusone]] ([[User talk:Userminusone|talk]]) 22:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
+: There's a page to collect those: ''Canousmic temperaments''. Make sure you've seen that. And we can talk if you have new temperaments to propose. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
+== I wanna move on from this ==
+I no longer feel attached to these temps as my focus shifted, altho 311edo remains one of my favorite tunings around its range. I've thought about a rename for a while but had no idea what to call it otherwise, until just now.
+''Cathartic'', maybe, cuz that's the feeling I always associate with 28/27, and these temps were "designed" to have an abundance of it. The corresponding comma would be ''cathartic comma''. Semicanou would become ''semicathart'' and semicanousma be ''semicathartisma'' with corresponding rank-4 ''semicathartismic''. Deuteromere could be changed to ''semicathartic'' tho I'm not 100% sure about that. As for hemireiwa, first, it's a demi- rather than hemi-, and second, it tempers out the seascape comma, so ''seadeute'' might be an option. It's not very notable however, so I might as well just delete it.
+I'll initiate the changes in a few days if no one has a problem…
+I have another temp I might consider naming after myself, but I won't re-use any of these names.
-I tried to simplify linking in [[1131edo]], only now I see that there ''is'' a “Canou temperament” within this family. I'd find it better to start with an introduction that tells us something about the family; currently it's starting with the temperament, that's a bot confusing, at least or me. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
+—[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:44, 17 June 2026 (UTC)