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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Name = porcupine comma, maximal diesis
| Name = porcupine comma, maximal diesis
| Color name = y<sup>3</sup>1, triyo 1sn,<br>Triyo comma
| Color name = y<sup>3</sup>1, triyo 1sn,<br>y<sup>3</sup>M, triyoma
| Comma = yes
| Comma = yes
}}
}}
'''250/243''' is known as the '''porcupine comma''' or the '''maximal diesis'''. Measuring about 49{{cent}}, it is a [[medium comma]]. It is the amount by which two [[10/9|minor whole tones]] exceed a minor third, that is, (10/9)<sup>2</sup>/(6/5). It is also the difference between [[25/24]] and [[81/80]], the two smallest [[5-limit]] [[superparticular]] ratios, and between three syntonic commas and the [[2187/2048|Pythagorean apotome]], putting it on the [[Syntonic-chromatic equivalence continuum]].
'''250/243''' is known as the '''porcupine comma''' or the '''maximal diesis'''. Measuring about 49{{cent}}, it is a [[medium comma]]. It is the amount by which two [[10/9|minor whole tones]] exceed a minor third, that is, (10/9)<sup>2</sup>/(6/5). It is also the difference between [[25/24]] and [[81/80]], the two smallest [[5-limit]] [[superparticular]] ratios, and between three syntonic commas and the [[2187/2048|Pythagorean apotome]], putting it on the [[Syntonic&ndash;chromatic equivalence continuum]].


== Temperaments ==
== Temperaments ==
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== Approximation ==
== Approximation ==
If we do not temper out this interval and instead use it as an identity of some sort, it serves as the period in the [[chromium]] temperament, where it is mapped to 1/24th of the octave. Thus [[Eliora]] proposes the name ''chromium quartertone''.  
250/243 is very close to one step of [[24edo]], which is the quarter tone that is exactly the half of [[12edo]] semitone. Therefore, if 250/243 is not tempered and instead is treated as an identity where it is equated with 1/24th of the octave, it serves as the period in the [[chromium]] temperament. (However, note that 24edo itself maps 250/243 inconsistently, and so chromium temperament starts at [[72edo]].) Thus in the framework of this temperament and the tuning systems associated with it, [[Eliora]] proposes the name ''chromium quartertone''.  


[[Category:Porcupine]]
[[Category:Porcupine]]
[[Category:Commas named after compositions]]
[[Category:Commas named after compositions]]

Latest revision as of 02:17, 28 May 2026

Interval information
Ratio 250/243
Factorization 2 × 3-5 × 53
Monzo [1 -5 3
Size in cents 49.16614¢
Names porcupine comma,
maximal diesis
Color name y31, triyo 1sn,
y3M, triyoma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{A1}^{5,5,5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 15.8906
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 15.9316
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 32
Comma size medium
S-expression S102⋅S11
Open this interval in xen-calc

250/243 is known as the porcupine comma or the maximal diesis. Measuring about 49 ¢, it is a medium comma. It is the amount by which two minor whole tones exceed a minor third, that is, (10/9)2/(6/5). It is also the difference between 25/24 and 81/80, the two smallest 5-limit superparticular ratios, and between three syntonic commas and the Pythagorean apotome, putting it on the Syntonic–chromatic equivalence continuum.

Temperaments

Tempering it out leads to the 5-limit porcupine temperament. See porcupine family for the family of rank-2 temperaments where it is tempered out.

Approximation

250/243 is very close to one step of 24edo, which is the quarter tone that is exactly the half of 12edo semitone. Therefore, if 250/243 is not tempered and instead is treated as an identity where it is equated with 1/24th of the octave, it serves as the period in the chromium temperament. (However, note that 24edo itself maps 250/243 inconsistently, and so chromium temperament starts at 72edo.) Thus in the framework of this temperament and the tuning systems associated with it, Eliora proposes the name chromium quartertone.