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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
1619edo is excellent in the 13-limit, where it tempers out [[4225/4224]], [[4375/4374]], [[6656/6655]], 78125/78078, and 117649/117612. It also notably tempers out [[quartisma]] (117440512/117406179) and [[123201/123200]]. | 1619edo is excellent in the 13-limit, where it tempers out [[4225/4224]], [[4375/4374]], [[6656/6655]], 78125/78078, and 117649/117612. It also notably tempers out [[quartisma]] (117440512/117406179) and [[123201/123200]]. | ||
1619edo tunes [[keenanisma]] very finely, to 6 steps, and can use it as a microchroma. 1619edo has 7/6 on 360th step, a highly divisible number, 27/25 on 180th, and 33/32 on 72nd as a consequence of tempering out the commas. This means that 72ed33/32 is virtually equivalent to 1619edo. When it comes to using 33/32 as the generator, 1619edo supports the [[ravine]] temperament, which tempers out 196625/196608, 200000/199927, 2912000/2910897, and 3764768/3764475. | |||
1619edo | Since 33/32 is close to 1\45, 7\6 is close to 1\9, and 385/384 is close to 1\270, 1619edo can be thought of as [[1620edo]] where one step was extracted and all others were moved into a more harmonically just position. It achieves this because 1620edo is contorted 270edo in the 11-limit, and its 13/8 is on the flat side coming from 324edo, and thus when it is octave stretched, steps sharpen enough to arrive at 1619edo's 13-limit excellence. | ||
1619edo | 1619edo supports a very precise rank two temperament, {{nowrap|19 & 1619}}, which uses [[6/5]] as a generator and has a comma basis 4375/4374, 91125/91091, 196625/196608, and 54925000/54908469. | ||
1619edo supports the keenanose temperament, which has comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, and 151263/151250. Keenanisma is the generator in the keenanose temperament, {{nowrap|270 & 1619}}, in which it highlights the relationship between 270 keenanismas and the octave. It also achieves this since {{nowrap|270 × 6 {{=}} 1620}}, and 1619 is 1 short of that and also excellent in the 13-limit. | |||
Another temperament which highlights the interval relationships in 1619edo is {{nowrap|45 & 1619}}, called ''decigrave'', since 10 steps make a 7/6, which is referred to as the grave minor third sometimes. It has a comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, {{monzo|23 5 13 -23 1 0}} in the 13-limit. Its generator is 36 steps, which represents 65/64 and 66/65 tempered together, and 2 of them make 33/32. 5 of them make [[27/25]], and 10 of them make 7/6. | |||
1619edo supports the {{nowrap|494 & 1619}} temperament called moulin, with the comma basis of 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 91125/91091. The 25-tone scale of moulin is capable of supporting the 8:11:13 triad, as it takes less than 25 notes to map the 11th and 13th harmonics. | |||
=== The Vidarines === | |||
1619edo supports [[vidar]], which has the comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, and 6656/6655. In addition, it contains a wealth of rank-two 13-limit temperaments that are produced by adding one comma on top of the vidar comma basis;. Temperaments described above such as decigrave, keenanose, moulin, are members of this collection. Eliora proposes the name ''The Vidarines'' for this collection of temperaments. | |||
A quick summary is shown below. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | The Vidarines in 1619edo (named and unnamed) | |||
|- | |||
! Temperament | |||
! Generator<br />associated ratio | |||
! Completing comma | |||
|- | |||
| Keenanose ({{nowrap|270 & 1619}}) | |||
| 385/384 | |||
| 151263/151250 | |||
|- | |||
| Decigrave ({{nowrap|45 & 1619}}) | |||
| 66/65 ~ 65/64 | |||
| {{monzo|23 5 13 -23 1 0}} | |||
|- | |||
| Moulin ({{nowrap|494 & 1619}}) | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| 91125/91091 | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|46 & 1619}} | |||
| 3328/3087 | |||
| {{monzo| -18 9 -2 8 -3 -1 }} | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|178 & 1619}} | |||
| 4429568/4084101 | |||
| {{monzo| -29 10 2 12 -3 -4 }} | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|224 & 1619}} | |||
| 256/175 | |||
| 18753525/18743296 | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|764 & 1619}} | |||
| 12375/8918 | |||
| 52734375/52706752 | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|901 & 1619}} | |||
| 104/99 | |||
| 34875815625/34843787264 | |||
|} | |||
While [[abigail]] is a member of the vidarines, 1619edo does not support it because abigail is a period-2 temperament, and 1619 is an odd number. | |||
=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|1619 | {{Harmonics in equal|1619}} | ||
=== | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
1619edo is the 256th [[prime edo]]. | 1619edo is the 256th [[prime edo]]. | ||
== Selected intervals == | == Selected intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ style=white-space:nowrap | Table of intervals in 1619edo | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Table of intervals in 1619edo | ||
|- | |||
! Step | ! Step | ||
! Cents | ! Cents | ||
! Ratio | ! Ratio | ||
! Name | ! Name* | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
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| 266.831 | | 266.831 | ||
| 7/6 | | 7/6 | ||
| septimal subminor third | | septimal subminor third, grave minor third | ||
|- | |||
| 744 | |||
| 551.451 | |||
| 11/8 | |||
| 11th harmonic, undecimal superfourth | |||
|- | |||
| 1134 | |||
| 840.519 | |||
| 13/8 | |||
| 13th harmonic, tridecimal neutral sixth | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1619 | | 1619 | ||
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| perfect octave | | perfect octave | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>* | <nowiki />* Named in accordance to their most just 13-limit counterpart using the names accepted on the wiki. | ||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | {| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | ||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | ! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br />8ve stretch (¢) | ||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ||
|- | |- | ||
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=== Rank-2 temperaments === | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | ||
! Periods<br>per | |+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | ||
! Generator | |- | ||
! Cents | ! Periods<br />per 8ve | ||
! Associated<br> | ! Generator* | ||
! Cents* | |||
! Associated<br />ratio* | |||
! Temperaments | ! Temperaments | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 385/384 | | 385/384 | ||
| [[Keenanose]] | | [[Keenanose]] | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 36\1619 | |||
| 26.683 | |||
| 65/64 | |||
| [[Decigrave]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| [[Ravine]] | | [[Ravine]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
|1 | | 1 | ||
|390\1619 | | 112\1619 | ||
|289.067 | | 83.014 | ||
|13/11 | | 1573/1500 | ||
|[[Moulin]] | | [[Acrosextilifourths]] | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 390\1619 | |||
| 289.067 | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| [[Moulin]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 426\1619 | |||
| 315.750 | |||
| 6/5 | |||
| [[Oviminor]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 587\1619 | |||
| 435.083 | |||
| 9/7 | |||
| [[Supermajor]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 672\1619 | |||
| 498.085 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| [[Counterschismic]] | |||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki />* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
== Music == | |||
; [[Francium]] | |||
* "Le's Cancel Monday" from ''The Scallop Disco Accident'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/5yxExt1gC5KA1grtcefU2m Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/les-cancel-monday Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWAsePkJvtI YouTube] | |||
* "this you?" from ''Questions, Vol. 2'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/3ZdhHP0wAyzg9aQkKwQIar Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/this-you Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28NveBGA3-U YouTube] | |||
* "Derpy Cat" from ''Microtonal Six-Dimensional Cats'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/1j301ZrWIbkw1b8Ar5Ww5L Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/derpy-cat Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjNJoR__pT4 YouTube] | |||
[[Category:Quartismic]] | [[Category:Quartismic]] | ||
Latest revision as of 13:52, 5 June 2025
| ← 1618edo | 1619edo | 1620edo → |
1619 equal divisions of the octave (abbreviated 1619edo or 1619ed2), also called 1619-tone equal temperament (1619tet) or 1619 equal temperament (1619et) when viewed under a regular temperament perspective, is the tuning system that divides the octave into 1619 equal parts of about 0.741 ¢ each. Each step represents a frequency ratio of 21/1619, or the 1619th root of 2.
Theory
1619edo is excellent in the 13-limit, where it tempers out 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 78125/78078, and 117649/117612. It also notably tempers out quartisma (117440512/117406179) and 123201/123200.
1619edo tunes keenanisma very finely, to 6 steps, and can use it as a microchroma. 1619edo has 7/6 on 360th step, a highly divisible number, 27/25 on 180th, and 33/32 on 72nd as a consequence of tempering out the commas. This means that 72ed33/32 is virtually equivalent to 1619edo. When it comes to using 33/32 as the generator, 1619edo supports the ravine temperament, which tempers out 196625/196608, 200000/199927, 2912000/2910897, and 3764768/3764475.
Since 33/32 is close to 1\45, 7\6 is close to 1\9, and 385/384 is close to 1\270, 1619edo can be thought of as 1620edo where one step was extracted and all others were moved into a more harmonically just position. It achieves this because 1620edo is contorted 270edo in the 11-limit, and its 13/8 is on the flat side coming from 324edo, and thus when it is octave stretched, steps sharpen enough to arrive at 1619edo's 13-limit excellence.
1619edo supports a very precise rank two temperament, 19 & 1619, which uses 6/5 as a generator and has a comma basis 4375/4374, 91125/91091, 196625/196608, and 54925000/54908469.
1619edo supports the keenanose temperament, which has comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, and 151263/151250. Keenanisma is the generator in the keenanose temperament, 270 & 1619, in which it highlights the relationship between 270 keenanismas and the octave. It also achieves this since 270 × 6 = 1620, and 1619 is 1 short of that and also excellent in the 13-limit.
Another temperament which highlights the interval relationships in 1619edo is 45 & 1619, called decigrave, since 10 steps make a 7/6, which is referred to as the grave minor third sometimes. It has a comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, [23 5 13 -23 1 0⟩ in the 13-limit. Its generator is 36 steps, which represents 65/64 and 66/65 tempered together, and 2 of them make 33/32. 5 of them make 27/25, and 10 of them make 7/6.
1619edo supports the 494 & 1619 temperament called moulin, with the comma basis of 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 91125/91091. The 25-tone scale of moulin is capable of supporting the 8:11:13 triad, as it takes less than 25 notes to map the 11th and 13th harmonics.
The Vidarines
1619edo supports vidar, which has the comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, and 6656/6655. In addition, it contains a wealth of rank-two 13-limit temperaments that are produced by adding one comma on top of the vidar comma basis;. Temperaments described above such as decigrave, keenanose, moulin, are members of this collection. Eliora proposes the name The Vidarines for this collection of temperaments.
A quick summary is shown below.
| Temperament | Generator associated ratio |
Completing comma |
|---|---|---|
| Keenanose (270 & 1619) | 385/384 | 151263/151250 |
| Decigrave (45 & 1619) | 66/65 ~ 65/64 | [23 5 13 -23 1 0⟩ |
| Moulin (494 & 1619) | 13/11 | 91125/91091 |
| 46 & 1619 | 3328/3087 | [-18 9 -2 8 -3 -1⟩ |
| 178 & 1619 | 4429568/4084101 | [-29 10 2 12 -3 -4⟩ |
| 224 & 1619 | 256/175 | 18753525/18743296 |
| 764 & 1619 | 12375/8918 | 52734375/52706752 |
| 901 & 1619 | 104/99 | 34875815625/34843787264 |
While abigail is a member of the vidarines, 1619edo does not support it because abigail is a period-2 temperament, and 1619 is an odd number.
Prime harmonics
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +0.000 | -0.040 | -0.149 | -0.080 | +0.134 | -0.009 | +0.295 | -0.293 | +0.262 | -0.053 | +0.116 |
| Relative (%) | +0.0 | -5.4 | -20.2 | -10.8 | +18.0 | -1.2 | +39.8 | -39.5 | +35.3 | -7.1 | +15.6 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
1619 (0) |
2566 (947) |
3759 (521) |
4545 (1307) |
5601 (744) |
5991 (1134) |
6618 (142) |
6877 (401) |
7324 (848) |
7865 (1389) |
8021 (1545) | |
Subsets and supersets
1619edo is the 256th prime edo.
Selected intervals
| Step | Cents | Ratio | Name* |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0.000 | 1/1 | prime, unison |
| 6 | 4.447 | 385/384 | keenanisma |
| 72 | 53.366 | 33/32 | al-Farabi quarter-tone |
| 360 | 266.831 | 7/6 | septimal subminor third, grave minor third |
| 744 | 551.451 | 11/8 | 11th harmonic, undecimal superfourth |
| 1134 | 840.519 | 13/8 | 13th harmonic, tridecimal neutral sixth |
| 1619 | 1200.000 | 2/1 | perfect octave |
* Named in accordance to their most just 13-limit counterpart using the names accepted on the wiki.
Regular temperament properties
| Subgroup | Comma list | Mapping | Optimal 8ve stretch (¢) |
Tuning error | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Absolute (¢) | Relative (%) | ||||
| 2.3 | [-2566 1619⟩ | [⟨1619 2566]] | +0.0127 | 0.0127 | 1.71 |
| 2.3.5 | [-69 45 -1⟩, [-82 -1 36⟩ | [⟨1619 2566 3759]] | +0.0299 | 0.0265 | 3.57 |
| 2.3.5.7 | 4375/4374, 52734375/52706752, [-67 14 6 11⟩ | [⟨1619 2566 3759 4545]] | +0.0295 | 0.0229 | 3.09 |
| 2.3.5.7.11 | 4375/4374, 117649/117612, 759375/758912, [24 -6 0 1 -5⟩ | [⟨1619 2566 3759 4545 5601]] | +0.0159 | 0.0341 | 4.60 |
| 2.3.5.7.11.13 | 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 78125/78078, 117649/117612 | [⟨1619 2566 3759 4545 5601 5991]] | +0.0136 | 0.0315 | 4.26 |
Rank-2 temperaments
| Periods per 8ve |
Generator* | Cents* | Associated ratio* |
Temperaments |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 6\1619 | 4.447 | 385/384 | Keenanose |
| 1 | 36\1619 | 26.683 | 65/64 | Decigrave |
| 1 | 72\1619 | 53.366 | 33/32 | Ravine |
| 1 | 112\1619 | 83.014 | 1573/1500 | Acrosextilifourths |
| 1 | 390\1619 | 289.067 | 13/11 | Moulin |
| 1 | 426\1619 | 315.750 | 6/5 | Oviminor |
| 1 | 587\1619 | 435.083 | 9/7 | Supermajor |
| 1 | 672\1619 | 498.085 | 4/3 | Counterschismic |
* Octave-reduced form, reduced to the first half-octave, and minimal form in parentheses if distinct