Talk:3645/3584

Rename

It's too confusing. This is a kind of opposite to 5120/5103 so something along the line of counterargentismic/counteraberschismic could work. —FloraC (talk) 12:45, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Tritonic diesis

I don't buy this, and can't imagine why, while septimal tritonic diesis on the whole refers to another interval, removing septimal should make it refer to this interval despite both are septimal. Iow if this interval was called tritonic diesis, this would make it septimal tritonic diesis, overloading the term itself. In fact, if you track the history of 50/49, it was originally just tritonic diesis; the septimal modifier was only added later to explicitly mark that it was 7-limit. —FloraC (talk) 11:34, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Hmm, it feels to me much more obvious and natural a name than "schismean comma". I strongly dislike the latter name, while the former couldn't feel more natural to me subjectively s.t potential ambiguity is the only issue. Do you have a better suggestion as to what the diesis-sized comma between (9/8)³ and the tritone-sized LCJI interval 7/5 should be called? And either way, I'd be curious if anyone else objects to this name... --Godtone (talk) 16:14, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I also don't fully buy the argument that "tritonic diesis" is reserved, as 50/49 is called the small septimal diesis, and 49/48 is called the large septimal diesis, where the latter is ambiguous with 36/35 which has sometimes been called by the same name. So if anything, either 36/35 is the largest septimal diesis (which intuitively feels at least correct) or 49/48 is to be the medium septimal diesis. It should also maybe be noted that it's smaller than 50/49, s.t we have a small and large (septimal) tritonic diesis (this and 50/49) and a small and large septimal diesis (49/48 and 36/35). --Godtone (talk) 16:22, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I mean, just becuz the septimal modifier was added to the wiki article on 50/49 for maximal clarity doesn't mean tritonic diesis no longer refers to it. Just like 9/8 is presented as Pythagorean whole tone and it doesn't mean you can assign whole tone to another interval uniquely. I think these names are as bad. Schismean uses an obscure schismic extension. Tritonic diesis overloads itself.

> Large septimal diesis is ambiguous with 36/35.

Not that I know of. 36/35 is either ambiguously referred to as a septimal comma/diesis, or effectively unambiguously the septimal quartertone.

—FloraC (talk) 06:37, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Do you have a suggestion for a name for this interval? Cuz I do genuinely believe it is a kind of diesis, and one that is easily discoverable and not unfamiliar to xen theorists to do with tritones. I'd be more than happy to scrap the name for another name involving "diesis" if that's your only concern. (I'd suggest "meantone diesis" as it's basically characteristic of meantone but that's a bit ambiguous potentially...) --Godtone (talk) 16:06, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I do agree this is a kind of diesis, but I think the new name should solve the name for the corresponding temperament too. Meantone diesis is indeed not very clear, as it may refer to the d2 in meantone. So, I suggest abercomma/aberdiesis, cuz this interval is a Pythagorean comma + an aberschisma. The temperament? Abercommic/aberdietic, I suppose. (I don't feel strongly about comma vs diesis here tho it should be noted it's smaller than Sagittal's range of a diesis. Not that I treat Sagittal as an absolute authority but still.) —FloraC (talk) 20:04, 28 July 2026 (UTC)