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== Hi ==

Welcome to my talk page! -- [[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 03:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

~~== Overly large EDO pages ==~~

I see that you've done some pretty good work on updating temperament pages and infoboxes and the like. However, we have already been dealing with a glut of stubs - i.e. pages with very minimal content beyond what is automatically generated - created for large EDOs or impractical intervals. You have failed to demonstrate notability for these EDOs, which is a very high burden when dealing with systems in the thousands or even hundreds of thousands of notes.

One reason you might be making these pages is that you just want to look at the harmonics table. That's reasonable, and I do that on [[User:Lériendil/ET harmonic testing page|a subpage of my userpage]] for the sake of minimizing disruption to the wiki, and I advise that you do similar in the future. You seem to want to make useful contributions in general, so take this advice so we can continue to mutually assume good faith.

~~Thanks,~~

~~- [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 07:23, 22 September 2025 (UTC)~~

: To add to this, the standard format for prime/odd harmonic tables is columns = 11. That shouldn't be exceeded in the majority of cases, especially where you're continuing the harmonics into several tables. (Columns = 9 is another standard.) -- [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 09:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Do I move some or all of pages of EDOs [[7200edo|7200]], [[7474edo|7474]], [[17100edo|17100]], [[74740edo|74740]], and [[747400edo|747400]] to user pages? Maybe even some of {{edos|322, 484, 486, 528, and 699}}? --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 21:53, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I made a big mess while trying to move 747400edo to User:Overthink/747400edo. Please have someone clean it up. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:46, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

~~: Think what you did is sufficient for these purposes. Cleaned up the 747400 mess. -- [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 23:16, 22 September 2025 (UTC)~~

~~== Should I take more breaks ==~~

On my article [[User:Overthink/The circle of relative error|The circle of relative error]], I wrote 11000 characters and about 2000 words in a single day. Perhaps I should spend a bit less time on this wiki and focus on other things. Just look at the first sentence of my user page.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 04:15, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

== 23-limit in 159edo ==

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: I believe a 12edo-based classification of intervals based on 2.3.5.17 [[Schismatic family#Term|Term temperament]] may be good, and for prime 11 use an 24edo-based classification from [[Schismatic family#Hemiterm|hemiterm]]. Note that 159edo supports both.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 05:07, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

: Or maybe just start with simpler intervals of 2.3.17.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 05:17, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

:: One way I've noticed for connecting primes 11 and 5, or rather combinations of 3 and 11 with combinations of 3 and 5, is to equate three instances of 243/242 with 81/80. Prime 17 is also a good addition, and it simplifies certain 11-based gestures in 159edo by 17/16 being equated with two instances of 33/32. I should note that 159edo supports both of these options. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 06:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

:: One more thing I just remembered about connecting combinations of 3, 5 and 11 is to stack three instances of 8192/8019 to get 16/15. I don't know what you make of that, but it's a gesture supported by both 65edo and 159edo. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 06:26, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

:: A third option I just found for connecting primes 3, 5 and 11 is to equate two instances of 81/80 with 4096/3993. You are right that none of these are particularly simple, but I still find these methods to be highly valuable- especially with prime 17 coming in to simplify things. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 07:00, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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 == Hi ==
 Welcome to my talk page! -- [[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 03:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
-== Overly large EDO pages ==
-I see that you've done some pretty good work on updating temperament pages and infoboxes and the like. However, we have already been dealing with a glut of stubs - i.e. pages with very minimal content beyond what is automatically generated - created for large EDOs or impractical intervals. You have failed to demonstrate notability for these EDOs, which is a very high burden when dealing with systems in the thousands or even hundreds of thousands of notes.
-One reason you might be making these pages is that you just want to look at the harmonics table. That's reasonable, and I do that on [[User:Lériendil/ET harmonic testing page|a subpage of my userpage]] for the sake of minimizing disruption to the wiki, and I advise that you do similar in the future. You seem to want to make useful contributions in general, so take this advice so we can continue to mutually assume good faith.
-Thanks,
-- [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 07:23, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
-: To add to this, the standard format for prime/odd harmonic tables is columns = 11. That shouldn't be exceeded in the majority of cases, especially where you're continuing the harmonics into several tables. (Columns = 9 is another standard.) -- [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 09:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
-Do I move some or all of pages of EDOs [[7200edo|7200]], [[7474edo|7474]], [[17100edo|17100]], [[74740edo|74740]], and [[747400edo|747400]] to user pages? Maybe even some of {{edos|322, 484, 486, 528, and 699}}? --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 21:53, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
-Sorry, I made a big mess while trying to move 747400edo to User:Overthink/747400edo. Please have someone clean it up. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:46, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
-: Think what you did is sufficient for these purposes. Cleaned up the 747400 mess. -- [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 23:16, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
-== Should I take more breaks ==
-On my article [[User:Overthink/The circle of relative error|The circle of relative error]], I wrote 11000 characters and about 2000 words in a single day. Perhaps I should spend a bit less time on this wiki and focus on other things. Just look at the first sentence of my user page.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 04:15, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
 == 23-limit in 159edo ==
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 : I believe a 12edo-based classification of intervals based on 2.3.5.17 [[Schismatic family#Term|Term temperament]] may be good, and for prime 11 use an 24edo-based classification from [[Schismatic family#Hemiterm|hemiterm]]. Note that 159edo supports both.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 05:07, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
+: Or maybe just start with simpler intervals of 2.3.17.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 05:17, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
+:: One way I've noticed for connecting primes 11 and 5, or rather combinations of 3 and 11 with combinations of 3 and 5, is to equate three instances of 243/242 with 81/80.  Prime 17 is also a good addition, and it simplifies certain 11-based gestures in 159edo by 17/16 being equated with two instances of 33/32.  I should note that 159edo supports both of these options. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 06:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
+::  One more thing I just remembered about connecting combinations of 3, 5 and 11 is to stack three instances of 8192/8019 to get 16/15.  I don't know what you make of that, but it's a gesture supported by both 65edo and 159edo. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 06:26, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
+:: A third option I just found for connecting primes 3, 5 and 11 is to equate two instances of 81/80 with 4096/3993.  You are right that none of these are particularly simple, but I still find these methods to be highly valuable- especially with prime 17 coming in to simplify things. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 07:00, 16 November 2025 (UTC)