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272ed23 is primarily intended to be used as [[60edo]] but with slightly [[Octave shrinking|compressed]] octaves. | 272ed23 is primarily intended to be used as [[60edo]] but with slightly [[Octave shrinking|compressed]] octaves. | ||
== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
Compared to pure-[[octave]]s 60edo, | Compared to pure-[[octave]]s 60edo, 272ed23 features a relatively large improvement to [[7/1]] and [[11/1]], at the cost of moderate worsening of [[2/1]], [[3/1]] and [[5/1]]. | ||
It also causes the [[val]]s to flip for [[5/1]], [[7/1]], [[13/1]] and [[17/1]]. | It also causes the [[val]]s to flip for [[5/1]], [[7/1]], [[13/1]] and [[17/1]]. | ||
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=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
In the [[47-limit]], 272ed3 has less than 40% relative error on primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 17, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43 and 47. | In the [[47-limit]], 272ed3 has less than 40% [[relative error]] on primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 17, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43 and 47. | ||
This makes it a solid tuning for the entire no-13, no-19 47-limit. | This makes it a solid tuning for the entire no-13, no-19 47-limit. | ||
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==== 60edo for comparison ==== | ==== 60edo for comparison ==== | ||
In the | In the 47-limit, 60edo has less than 40% relative error on primes 2, 3, 5, 13, 17, 19, 31, 47. | ||
This makes it a solid tuning for the no-7, no-11 [[19-limit]] (or [[dual-n|dual]]-7, dual-11). | This makes it a solid tuning for the no-7, no-11 [[19-limit]] (or [[dual-n|dual]]-7, dual-11). | ||
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== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3 left-4 mw-collapsible" | {| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3 left-4 left-5 mw-collapsible" | ||
|+ Intervals of 272ed23, up to the octave | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Degrees | ! Degrees | ||
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! Additional ratios<br />in the full 47-limit | ! Additional ratios<br />in the full 47-limit | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 0 | |||
! 0 | |||
| 1/1 | | 1/1 | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 1 | |||
! 19.96 | |||
| 55/54, 56/55, 64/63, 81/80 | | 55/54, 56/55, 64/63, 81/80 | ||
| 51/50, 63/62, 69/68, 70/69, 75/74, 82/81, 85/84, 88/87 | | 51/50, 63/62, 69/68, 70/69, 75/74, 82/81, 85/84, 88/87 | ||
| 52/51, 53/52, 57/56, 58/57, 65/64, 66/65, 76/75, 77/76, 78/77 | | 52/51, 53/52, 57/56, 58/57, 65/64, 66/65, 76/75, 77/76, 78/77 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 2 | |||
! 39.91 | |||
| 33/32, 36/35 | | 33/32, 36/35 | ||
| 34/33, 35/34, 37/36, 41/40, 42/41, 43/42, 44/43 | | 34/33, 35/34, 37/36, 41/40, 42/41, 43/42, 44/43 | ||
| 38/37, 39/38, 40/39 | | 38/37, 39/38, 40/39 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 3 | |||
! 59.87 | |||
| 25/24, 28/27 | | 25/24, 28/27 | ||
| 24/23, 29/28, 30/29, 88/85 | | 24/23, 29/28, 30/29, 88/85 | ||
| 26/25, 27/26 | | 26/25, 27/26 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 4 | |||
! 79.83 | |||
| 21/20, 22/21 | | 21/20, 22/21 | ||
| 23/22, 45/43 | | 23/22, 45/43 | ||
| 19/18, 20/19 | | 19/18, 20/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 5 | |||
! 99.78 | |||
| 16/5, 35/33 | | 16/5, 35/33 | ||
| 17/16, 18/17 | | 17/16, 18/17 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 6 | |||
! 119.74 | |||
| 15/14 | | 15/14 | ||
| 29/27, 44/41, 74/69 | | 29/27, 44/41, 74/69 | ||
| 14/13 | | 14/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 7 | |||
! 139.70 | |||
| | | | ||
| 25/23, 51/47 | | 25/23, 51/47 | ||
| 13/12, 38/35 | | 13/12, 38/35 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 8 | |||
! 159.66 | |||
| 11/10, 12/11 | | 11/10, 12/11 | ||
| 23/21, 34/31 | | 23/21, 34/31 | ||
| 57/52 | | 57/52 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 9 | |||
! 179.61 | |||
| 10/9 | | 10/9 | ||
| 31/28, 41/37, 51/46 | | 31/28, 41/37, 51/46 | ||
| 21/19 | | 21/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 10 | |||
! 199.57 | |||
| 9/8, 28/25, 55/49 | | 9/8, 28/25, 55/49 | ||
| 37/33, 46/41 | | 37/33, 46/41 | ||
| 19/17 | | 19/17 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 11 | |||
! 219.53 | |||
| 8/7 | | 8/7 (patent) | ||
| 17/15, 42/37 | | 17/15, 42/37 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 12 | |||
! 239.48 | |||
| 8/7 | | 8/7 (catnip) | ||
| 23/20, 31/27, 54/47, 85/74 | | 23/20, 31/27, 54/47, 85/74 | ||
| 15/13 | | 15/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 13 | |||
! 259.44 | |||
| 7/6 | | 7/6 | ||
| 29/25, 36/31, 43/37 | | 29/25, 36/31, 43/37 | ||
| 22/19 | | 22/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 14 | |||
! 279.4 | |||
| | | | ||
| 20/17, 27/23, 47/40 | | 20/17, 27/23, 47/40 | ||
| 13/11 | | 13/11 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 15 | |||
! 299.35 | |||
| 25/21 | | 25/21 | ||
| 44/37 | | 44/37 | ||
| 19/16 | | 19/16 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 16 | |||
! 319.31 | |||
| 6/5, 77/64 | | 6/5, 77/64 | ||
| 29/24, 35/28, 41/34 | | 29/24, 35/28, 41/34 | ||
| 23/19, 47/39, 65/54 | | 23/19, 47/39, 65/54 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 17 | |||
! 339.27 | |||
| 11/9 | | 11/9 | ||
| 17/14, 28/23, 45/37 | | 17/14, 28/23, 45/37 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 18 | |||
! 359.22 | |||
| 27/22 | | 27/22 | ||
| 43/35 | | 43/35 | ||
| 16/13, 91/74 | | 16/13, 91/74 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 19 | |||
! 379.18 | |||
| 5/4, 56/45 | | 5/4, 56/45 | ||
| 21/17, 31/25, 36/29, 41/33, 46/37, 51/41 | | 21/17, 31/25, 36/29, 41/33, 46/37, 51/41 | ||
| 26/21 | | 26/21 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 20 | |||
! 399.14 | |||
| 63/50 | | 63/50 | ||
| 29/23, 34/27 | | 29/23, 34/27 | ||
| 19/15, 24/19 | | 19/15, 24/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 21 | |||
! 419.09 | |||
| 14/11 | | 14/11 | ||
| 23/18, 37/29, 51/40 | | 23/18, 37/29, 51/40 | ||
| 65/51 | | 65/51 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 22 | |||
! 439.05 | |||
| 9/7 | | 9/7 | ||
| 22/17, 31/24, 40/31, 58/45 | | 22/17, 31/24, 40/31, 58/45 | ||
| 49/38 | | 49/38 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 23 | |||
! 459.01 | |||
| 176/135 | | 176/135 | ||
| 30/23, 43/33 | | 30/23, 43/33 | ||
| 13/10, 17/13 | | 13/10, 17/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 24 | |||
! 478.97 | |||
| 21/16, 33/25 | | 21/16, 33/25 | ||
| 29/22, 62/47 | | 29/22, 62/47 | ||
| 25/19, 91/69 | | 25/19, 91/69 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 25 | |||
! 498.92 | |||
| 4/3, 75/56 | | 4/3, 75/56 | ||
| 43/32, 47/35, 63/47, 99/74 | | 43/32, 47/35, 63/47, 99/74 | ||
| 39/29, 51/38, 87/65, 91/68 | | 39/29, 51/38, 87/65, 91/68 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 26 | |||
! 518.88 | |||
| 27/20 | | 27/20 | ||
| 23/17, 31/23, 58/43, 85/63 | | 23/17, 31/23, 58/43, 85/63 | ||
| 19/14 | | 19/14 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 27 | |||
! 538.84 | |||
| 15/11 | | 15/11 | ||
| 41/30, 56/41, 86/63 | | 41/30, 56/41, 86/63 | ||
| 26/19 | | 26/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 28 | |||
! 558.79 | |||
| 11/8 | | 11/8 | ||
| 29/21, 40/29, 69/50 | | 29/21, 40/29, 69/50 | ||
| 18/13 | | 18/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 29 | |||
! 578.75 | |||
| 7/5, 25/18, 88/63 | | 7/5, 25/18, 88/63 | ||
| 32/23, 46/33, 60/43, 81/58 | | 32/23, 46/33, 60/43, 81/58 | ||
| 39/28, 95/68 | | 39/28, 95/68 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 30 | |||
! 598.71 | |||
| | | | ||
| 17/12, 24/17, 41/29 | | 17/12, 24/17, 41/29 | ||
| 65/46 | | 65/46 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 31 | |||
! 618.66 | |||
| 10/7, 63/44 | | 10/7, 63/44 | ||
| 23/16, 33/23, 43/30 | | 23/16, 33/23, 43/30 | ||
| 93/65 | | 93/65 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 32 | |||
! 638.62 | |||
| 81/56 | | 81/56 | ||
| 29/20, 42/29, 68/47 | | 29/20, 42/29, 68/47 | ||
| 13/9, 55/38, 94/65 | | 13/9, 55/38, 94/65 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 33 | |||
! 658.58 | |||
| 16/11, 22/15 | | 16/11, 22/15 | ||
| 41/28, 60/41 | | 41/28, 60/41 | ||
| 19/13 | | 19/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 34 | |||
! 678.53 | |||
| | | | ||
| 25/17, 31/21, 34/32, 37/25 | | 25/17, 31/21, 34/32, 37/25 | ||
| 28/19 | | 28/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 35 | |||
! 698.49 | |||
| 3/2, 49/33 | | 3/2, 49/33 | ||
| 55/37, 64/43, 70/47, 82/55, 94/63 | | 55/37, 64/43, 70/47, 82/55, 94/63 | ||
| 52/35, 58/39, 76/51, 85/57 | | 52/35, 58/39, 76/51, 85/57 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 36 | |||
! 718.45 | |||
| 32/21, 50/33 | | 32/21, 50/33 | ||
| 29/19, 35/23, 41/27, 44/29, 47/31 | | 29/19, 35/23, 41/27, 44/29, 47/31 | ||
| 38/25 | | 38/25 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 37 | |||
! 738.40 | |||
| 49/32 | | 49/32 | ||
| 23/15, 72/47 | | 23/15, 72/47 | ||
| 20/13, 26/17 | | 20/13, 26/17 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 38 | |||
! 748.36 | |||
| 14/9 | | 14/9 | ||
| 17/11, 31/20, 48/31 | | 17/11, 31/20, 48/31 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 39 | |||
! 778.32 | |||
| 11/7, 25/16 | | 11/7, 25/16 | ||
| 36/23, 47/30, 69/44 | | 36/23, 47/30, 69/44 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 40 | |||
! 798.28 | |||
| | | | ||
| 27/17, 46/29 | | 27/17, 46/29 | ||
| 19/12, 65/41 | | 19/12, 65/41 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 41 | |||
! 818.23 | |||
| 8/5, 45/28, 77/48 | | 8/5, 45/28, 77/48 | ||
| 29/18, 37/23, 69/43 | | 29/18, 37/23, 69/43 | ||
| 21/13 | | 21/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 42 | |||
! 838.19 | |||
| | | | ||
| 34/21, 47/29, 60/37 | | 34/21, 47/29, 60/37 | ||
| 13/8, 21/13 | | 13/8, 21/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 43 | |||
! 858.15 | |||
| 18/11 | | 18/11 | ||
| 23/14, 41/25 | | 23/14, 41/25 | ||
| 64/39 | | 64/39 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 44 | |||
! 878.10 | |||
| 5/3, 33/20 | | 5/3, 33/20 | ||
| 28/17, 48/29, 58/35, 68/41, 93/56 | | 28/17, 48/29, 58/35, 68/41, 93/56 | ||
| 38/23, 43/26, 63/38, 78/47 | | 38/23, 43/26, 63/38, 78/47 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 45 | |||
! 898.06 | |||
| 27/16, 42/25 | | 27/16, 42/25 | ||
| 37/22, 47/28 | | 37/22, 47/28 | ||
| 32/19 | | 32/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 46 | |||
! 918.02 | |||
| 56/33 | | 56/33 | ||
| 17/10 | | 17/10 | ||
| 22/13, 39/23 | | 22/13, 39/23 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 47 | |||
! 937.97 | |||
| 12/7, 55/32 | | 12/7, 55/32 | ||
| 31/18, 43/25 | | 31/18, 43/25 | ||
| 19/11, 98/57 | | 19/11, 98/57 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 48 | |||
! 958.93 | |||
| 7/4 (catnip) | | 7/4 (catnip) | ||
| 19/11, 40/23 | | 19/11, 40/23 | ||
| 26/15, 33/19 | | 26/15, 33/19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 49 | |||
! 977.89 | |||
| 7/4 (patent), 44/25 | | 7/4 (patent), 44/25 | ||
| 30/17, 37/21, 51/29 | | 30/17, 37/21, 51/29 | ||
| 23/13, 95/54 | | 23/13, 95/54 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 50 | |||
! 997.84 | |||
| 16/9, 25/14 | | 16/9, 25/14 | ||
| 41/23 | | 41/23 | ||
| 57/32 | | 57/32 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 51 | |||
! 1017.8 | |||
| 9/5 | | 9/5 | ||
| 29/16, 56/31, 74/41, 92/51 | | 29/16, 56/31, 74/41, 92/51 | ||
| 38/21, 47/26, 65/36 | | 38/21, 47/26, 65/36 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 52 | |||
! 1037.76 | |||
| 20/11 | | 20/11 | ||
| 31/17, 51/28 | | 31/17, 51/28 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 53 | |||
! 1057.72 | |||
| 11/6 | | 11/6 | ||
| 94/51 | | 94/51 | ||
| 24/13, 35/18 | | 24/13, 35/18 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 54 | |||
! 1077.67 | |||
| 28/15 | | 28/15 | ||
| 41/22, 54/29 | | 41/22, 54/29 | ||
| 13/7, 95/51 | | 13/7, 95/51 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 55 | |||
! 1097.63 | |||
| 15/8, 66/35 | | 15/8, 66/35 | ||
| 17/9, 32/17 | | 17/9, 32/17 | ||
| 49/26 | | 49/26 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 56 | |||
! 1117.59 | |||
| 21/11, 40/21 | | 21/11, 40/21 | ||
| 82/43 | | 82/43 | ||
| 19/10 | | 19/10 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 57 | |||
! 1137.54 | |||
| 27/14 | | 27/14 | ||
| 23/12, 29/15, 56/29 | | 23/12, 29/15, 56/29 | ||
| 25/3 | | 25/3 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 58 | |||
! 1157.50 | |||
| 35/18 | | 35/18 | ||
| 31/16, 33/17, 41/21, 80/41 | | 31/16, 33/17, 41/21, 80/41 | ||
| 37/19, 39/20 | | 37/19, 39/20 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 59 | |||
! 1177.46 | |||
| 49/25, 55/28, 63/32 | | 49/25, 55/28, 63/32 | ||
| 47/24, 57/29, 69/35 | | 47/24, 57/29, 69/35 | ||
| 51/26, 65/33, 75/38, 77/39 | | 51/26, 65/33, 75/38, 77/39 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 60 | |||
! 1200 | |||
| 2/1, 99/50 | | 2/1, 99/50 | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
|} | |} | ||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
=== Rank-2 temperaments === | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | ||
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|- | |- | ||
| 12 | | 12 | ||
| 12\ | | 12\272ed23<br>(2\272ed23) | ||
| | | 239.48<br>(39.91) | ||
| 8/7<br>( | | 8/7<br>(36/35) | ||
| [[Catnip]] ( | | [[Catnip]] (272dg) | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | <nowiki/>* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | ||
(This table is incomplete.){{todo|complete table}} | |||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
; 60edo scales | |||
These are useable in 272ed23, simply apply an octave compression of 0.99784 in [[Scale Workshop]]. | |||
* [[5- to 10-tone scales in 60edo]] | * [[5- to 10-tone scales in 60edo]] | ||
== Nearby equal-step tunings == | == Nearby equal-step tunings == | ||
There are a few other useful [[equal-step tuning]]s which occur close to | There are a few other useful [[equal-step tuning]]s which occur close to 272ed23 in step size: | ||
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; 272ed23 | ; 272ed23 | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|272|23|1|intervals=prime|columns=11|collapsed=1}} | |||
== Instruments == | == Instruments == | ||
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272 equal divisions of the 23rd harmonic (abbreviated 272ed23) is a nonoctave tuning system that divides the interval of 23/1 into 272 equal parts of about 20 ¢ each. Each step represents a frequency ratio of 231/272, or the 272nd root of 23.
272ed23 is primarily intended to be used as 60edo but with slightly compressed octaves.
Theory
Compared to pure-octaves 60edo, 272ed23 features a relatively large improvement to 7/1 and 11/1, at the cost of moderate worsening of 2/1, 3/1 and 5/1.
It also causes the vals to flip for 5/1, 7/1, 13/1 and 17/1.
These characteristics, particularly the flipped 5/1 and 13/1, are preferred over pure-octaves 60edo for catnip temperament specifically. They change catnip’s warts from 60cf to 272dg (later letters in the alphabet are better).
Given this, 272ed23 can be thought of as a 60edo clone tailor-made for catnip.
60edo is already on the optimal ET sequence for catnip, so 272ed23 is one of the most optimal catnip tunings concievable.
Prime harmonics
In the 47-limit, 272ed3 has less than 40% relative error on primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 17, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43 and 47.
This makes it a solid tuning for the entire no-13, no-19 47-limit.
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -2.59 | -6.05 | +7.65 | +3.89 | -0.28 | +9.86 | +4.44 | -8.51 | +0.00 | -2.17 | +2.12 |
| Relative (%) | -13.0 | -30.3 | +38.3 | +19.5 | -1.4 | +49.4 | +22.2 | -42.6 | +0.0 | -10.8 | +10.6 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (60) |
95 (95) |
140 (140) |
169 (169) |
208 (208) |
223 (223) |
246 (246) |
255 (255) |
272 (0) |
292 (20) |
298 (26) | |
| Harmonic | 37 | 41 | 43 | 47 | 53 | 59 | 61 | 67 | 71 | 73 | 79 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -4.84 | -2.94 | -5.57 | +0.09 | -8.33 | +5.57 | +7.73 | +4.96 | +4.35 | -3.83 | -0.88 |
| Relative (%) | -24.2 | -14.7 | -27.9 | +0.5 | -41.8 | +27.9 | +38.7 | +24.8 | +21.8 | -19.2 | -4.4 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
313 (41) |
322 (50) |
326 (54) |
334 (62) |
344 (72) |
354 (82) |
357 (85) |
365 (93) |
370 (98) |
372 (100) |
379 (107) | |
60edo for comparison
In the 47-limit, 60edo has less than 40% relative error on primes 2, 3, 5, 13, 17, 19, 31, 47.
This makes it a solid tuning for the no-7, no-11 19-limit (or dual-7, dual-11).
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +0.00 | -1.96 | -6.31 | -8.83 | +8.68 | -0.53 | -4.96 | +2.49 | -8.27 | -9.58 | -5.04 |
| Relative (%) | +0.0 | -9.8 | -31.6 | -44.1 | +43.4 | -2.6 | -24.8 | +12.4 | -41.4 | -47.9 | -25.2 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (0) |
95 (35) |
139 (19) |
168 (48) |
208 (28) |
222 (42) |
245 (5) |
255 (15) |
271 (31) |
291 (51) |
297 (57) | |
| Harmonic | 37 | 41 | 43 | 47 | 53 | 59 | 61 | 67 | 71 | 73 | 79 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +8.66 | -9.06 | +8.48 | -5.51 | +6.50 | +0.83 | +3.12 | +0.69 | +0.30 | -7.79 | -4.54 |
| Relative (%) | +43.3 | -45.3 | +42.4 | -27.5 | +32.5 | +4.1 | +15.6 | +3.5 | +1.5 | -38.9 | -22.7 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
313 (13) |
321 (21) |
326 (26) |
333 (33) |
344 (44) |
353 (53) |
356 (56) |
364 (4) |
369 (9) |
371 (11) |
378 (18) | |
Subsets and supersets
272ed23 is quite composite, with subset ed23s 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 17, 34, 68, 136.
Unlike pure-octaves 60edo, 272ed23 does not have high consistency at all. 60edo is both consistent and distinctly consistent up to the 9-integer limit, while 272ed23 is consistent and distinctly consistently only up to the 4-integer limit.
Notation
272ed23 can be notated using ups and downs notation using Helmholtz-Ellis accidentals as if it were 60edo:
| Semitones | 0 | 1⁄5 | 2⁄5 | 3⁄5 | 4⁄5 | 1 | 1+1⁄5 | 1+2⁄5 | 1+3⁄5 | 1+4⁄5 | 2 | 2+1⁄5 | 2+2⁄5 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sharp symbol | |||||||||||||
| Flat symbol |
If arrows are taken to have their own layer of enharmonic spellings, then in some cases certain notes may be best spelled with three arrows.
Intervals
| Degrees | Cents | Approximate ratios in the 11-limit |
Additional ratios in the no-13, no-19 47-limit |
Additional ratios in the full 47-limit |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0 | 1/1 | ||
| 1 | 19.96 | 55/54, 56/55, 64/63, 81/80 | 51/50, 63/62, 69/68, 70/69, 75/74, 82/81, 85/84, 88/87 | 52/51, 53/52, 57/56, 58/57, 65/64, 66/65, 76/75, 77/76, 78/77 |
| 2 | 39.91 | 33/32, 36/35 | 34/33, 35/34, 37/36, 41/40, 42/41, 43/42, 44/43 | 38/37, 39/38, 40/39 |
| 3 | 59.87 | 25/24, 28/27 | 24/23, 29/28, 30/29, 88/85 | 26/25, 27/26 |
| 4 | 79.83 | 21/20, 22/21 | 23/22, 45/43 | 19/18, 20/19 |
| 5 | 99.78 | 16/5, 35/33 | 17/16, 18/17 | |
| 6 | 119.74 | 15/14 | 29/27, 44/41, 74/69 | 14/13 |
| 7 | 139.70 | 25/23, 51/47 | 13/12, 38/35 | |
| 8 | 159.66 | 11/10, 12/11 | 23/21, 34/31 | 57/52 |
| 9 | 179.61 | 10/9 | 31/28, 41/37, 51/46 | 21/19 |
| 10 | 199.57 | 9/8, 28/25, 55/49 | 37/33, 46/41 | 19/17 |
| 11 | 219.53 | 8/7 (patent) | 17/15, 42/37 | |
| 12 | 239.48 | 8/7 (catnip) | 23/20, 31/27, 54/47, 85/74 | 15/13 |
| 13 | 259.44 | 7/6 | 29/25, 36/31, 43/37 | 22/19 |
| 14 | 279.4 | 20/17, 27/23, 47/40 | 13/11 | |
| 15 | 299.35 | 25/21 | 44/37 | 19/16 |
| 16 | 319.31 | 6/5, 77/64 | 29/24, 35/28, 41/34 | 23/19, 47/39, 65/54 |
| 17 | 339.27 | 11/9 | 17/14, 28/23, 45/37 | |
| 18 | 359.22 | 27/22 | 43/35 | 16/13, 91/74 |
| 19 | 379.18 | 5/4, 56/45 | 21/17, 31/25, 36/29, 41/33, 46/37, 51/41 | 26/21 |
| 20 | 399.14 | 63/50 | 29/23, 34/27 | 19/15, 24/19 |
| 21 | 419.09 | 14/11 | 23/18, 37/29, 51/40 | 65/51 |
| 22 | 439.05 | 9/7 | 22/17, 31/24, 40/31, 58/45 | 49/38 |
| 23 | 459.01 | 176/135 | 30/23, 43/33 | 13/10, 17/13 |
| 24 | 478.97 | 21/16, 33/25 | 29/22, 62/47 | 25/19, 91/69 |
| 25 | 498.92 | 4/3, 75/56 | 43/32, 47/35, 63/47, 99/74 | 39/29, 51/38, 87/65, 91/68 |
| 26 | 518.88 | 27/20 | 23/17, 31/23, 58/43, 85/63 | 19/14 |
| 27 | 538.84 | 15/11 | 41/30, 56/41, 86/63 | 26/19 |
| 28 | 558.79 | 11/8 | 29/21, 40/29, 69/50 | 18/13 |
| 29 | 578.75 | 7/5, 25/18, 88/63 | 32/23, 46/33, 60/43, 81/58 | 39/28, 95/68 |
| 30 | 598.71 | 17/12, 24/17, 41/29 | 65/46 | |
| 31 | 618.66 | 10/7, 63/44 | 23/16, 33/23, 43/30 | 93/65 |
| 32 | 638.62 | 81/56 | 29/20, 42/29, 68/47 | 13/9, 55/38, 94/65 |
| 33 | 658.58 | 16/11, 22/15 | 41/28, 60/41 | 19/13 |
| 34 | 678.53 | 25/17, 31/21, 34/32, 37/25 | 28/19 | |
| 35 | 698.49 | 3/2, 49/33 | 55/37, 64/43, 70/47, 82/55, 94/63 | 52/35, 58/39, 76/51, 85/57 |
| 36 | 718.45 | 32/21, 50/33 | 29/19, 35/23, 41/27, 44/29, 47/31 | 38/25 |
| 37 | 738.40 | 49/32 | 23/15, 72/47 | 20/13, 26/17 |
| 38 | 748.36 | 14/9 | 17/11, 31/20, 48/31 | |
| 39 | 778.32 | 11/7, 25/16 | 36/23, 47/30, 69/44 | |
| 40 | 798.28 | 27/17, 46/29 | 19/12, 65/41 | |
| 41 | 818.23 | 8/5, 45/28, 77/48 | 29/18, 37/23, 69/43 | 21/13 |
| 42 | 838.19 | 34/21, 47/29, 60/37 | 13/8, 21/13 | |
| 43 | 858.15 | 18/11 | 23/14, 41/25 | 64/39 |
| 44 | 878.10 | 5/3, 33/20 | 28/17, 48/29, 58/35, 68/41, 93/56 | 38/23, 43/26, 63/38, 78/47 |
| 45 | 898.06 | 27/16, 42/25 | 37/22, 47/28 | 32/19 |
| 46 | 918.02 | 56/33 | 17/10 | 22/13, 39/23 |
| 47 | 937.97 | 12/7, 55/32 | 31/18, 43/25 | 19/11, 98/57 |
| 48 | 958.93 | 7/4 (catnip) | 19/11, 40/23 | 26/15, 33/19 |
| 49 | 977.89 | 7/4 (patent), 44/25 | 30/17, 37/21, 51/29 | 23/13, 95/54 |
| 50 | 997.84 | 16/9, 25/14 | 41/23 | 57/32 |
| 51 | 1017.8 | 9/5 | 29/16, 56/31, 74/41, 92/51 | 38/21, 47/26, 65/36 |
| 52 | 1037.76 | 20/11 | 31/17, 51/28 | |
| 53 | 1057.72 | 11/6 | 94/51 | 24/13, 35/18 |
| 54 | 1077.67 | 28/15 | 41/22, 54/29 | 13/7, 95/51 |
| 55 | 1097.63 | 15/8, 66/35 | 17/9, 32/17 | 49/26 |
| 56 | 1117.59 | 21/11, 40/21 | 82/43 | 19/10 |
| 57 | 1137.54 | 27/14 | 23/12, 29/15, 56/29 | 25/3 |
| 58 | 1157.50 | 35/18 | 31/16, 33/17, 41/21, 80/41 | 37/19, 39/20 |
| 59 | 1177.46 | 49/25, 55/28, 63/32 | 47/24, 57/29, 69/35 | 51/26, 65/33, 75/38, 77/39 |
| 60 | 1200 | 2/1, 99/50 |
Regular temperament properties
Rank-2 temperaments
| Periods per 8ve |
Generator* | Cents* | Associated ratio* |
Temperament |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 12 | 12\272ed23 (2\272ed23) |
239.48 (39.91) |
8/7 (36/35) |
Catnip (272dg) |
* Octave-reduced form, reduced to the first half-octave, and minimal form in parentheses if distinct
(This table is incomplete.)
Scales
- 60edo scales
These are useable in 272ed23, simply apply an octave compression of 0.99784 in Scale Workshop.
Nearby equal-step tunings
There are a few other useful equal-step tunings which occur close to 272ed23 in step size:
- 207ed11, 168ed7
The tunings 207ed11 and 168ed7 are almost identical. Each is 60edo but with slightly stretched octaves.
Each causes relatively large improvement to 5/1, 7/1 and 11/1 at the cost of moderate worsening of 2/1 and 3/1.
Each also causes the vals to flip for 11/1 and 13/1.
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +3.28 | +3.24 | +1.29 | +0.36 | +0.00 | -8.44 | +8.44 | -3.63 | +6.54 | +6.33 | -8.85 |
| Relative (%) | +16.4 | +16.2 | +6.4 | +1.8 | +0.0 | -42.1 | +42.1 | -18.1 | +32.6 | +31.6 | -44.1 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (60) |
95 (95) |
139 (139) |
168 (168) |
207 (0) |
221 (14) |
245 (38) |
254 (47) |
271 (64) |
291 (84) |
296 (89) | |
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +3.15 | +3.04 | +0.99 | +0.00 | -0.44 | -8.92 | +7.92 | -4.17 | +5.96 | +5.71 | -9.49 |
| Relative (%) | +15.7 | +15.1 | +4.9 | +0.0 | -2.2 | -44.5 | +39.5 | -20.8 | +29.7 | +28.5 | -47.3 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (60) |
95 (95) |
139 (139) |
168 (0) |
207 (39) |
221 (53) |
245 (77) |
254 (86) |
271 (103) |
291 (123) |
296 (128) | |
- 301zpi
The tuning 301zpi, the 301st zeta peak index, is 60edo but with slightly stretched octaves.
It causes relatively large improvement to 3/1, 5/1, 7/1, 11/1 and 17/1 at the cost of relatively small worsening of 2/1 and relatively large worsening of 13/1.
It also causes the val for 11/1 to flip from 208 steps to 207 steps.
301zpi is both consistent and distinctly consistent up to the 10-integer-limit, which is unusually high for a two digit edo or three digit zpi.
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +1.60 | +0.58 | -2.61 | -4.35 | -5.80 | +5.39 | +1.57 | +9.28 | -1.05 | -1.82 | +2.88 |
| Relative (%) | +8.0 | +2.9 | -13.0 | -21.7 | -29.0 | +26.9 | +7.9 | +46.3 | -5.3 | -9.1 | +14.4 | |
| Step | 60 | 95 | 139 | 168 | 207 | 222 | 245 | 255 | 271 | 291 | 297 | |
- 60edo
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +0.00 | -1.96 | -6.31 | -8.83 | +8.68 | -0.53 | -4.96 | +2.49 | -8.27 | -9.58 | -5.04 |
| Relative (%) | +0.0 | -9.8 | -31.6 | -44.1 | +43.4 | -2.6 | -24.8 | +12.4 | -41.4 | -47.9 | -25.2 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (0) |
95 (35) |
139 (19) |
168 (48) |
208 (28) |
222 (42) |
245 (5) |
255 (15) |
271 (31) |
291 (51) |
297 (57) | |
- 255ed19
The tuning 255ed19 is 60edo but with slightly compressed octaves.
It causes a relatively large improvement to 11/1, at the cost of relatively small worsening of every smaller prime.
It also causes the val for 7/1 to flip from 168 steps to 169.
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -0.59 | -2.88 | -7.67 | +9.53 | +6.65 | -2.69 | -7.34 | +0.00 | +9.07 | +7.57 | -7.93 |
| Relative (%) | -2.9 | -14.4 | -38.4 | +47.7 | +33.3 | -13.5 | -36.7 | +0.0 | +45.4 | +37.9 | -39.7 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (60) |
95 (95) |
139 (139) |
169 (169) |
208 (208) |
222 (222) |
245 (245) |
255 (0) |
272 (17) |
292 (37) |
297 (42) | |
- 208ed11
The tuning 208ed11 is 60edo but with slightly compressed octaves.
It causes a relatively large improvement to 7/1 and 11/1, at the cost of moderate worsening of 2/1, 3/1 and 5/1.
It also causes the vals to flip for 5/1, 7/1 and 17/1.
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -2.50 | -5.92 | +7.84 | +4.12 | +0.00 | -9.79 | +4.78 | -8.16 | +0.37 | -1.77 | +2.53 |
| Relative (%) | -12.5 | -29.7 | +39.3 | +20.6 | +0.0 | -49.1 | +23.9 | -40.9 | +1.9 | -8.8 | +12.7 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (60) |
95 (95) |
140 (140) |
169 (169) |
208 (0) |
222 (14) |
246 (38) |
255 (47) |
272 (64) |
292 (84) |
298 (90) | |
- 272ed23
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 19 | 23 | 29 | 31 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -2.59 | -6.05 | +7.65 | +3.89 | -0.28 | +9.86 | +4.44 | -8.51 | +0.00 | -2.17 | +2.12 |
| Relative (%) | -13.0 | -30.3 | +38.3 | +19.5 | -1.4 | +49.4 | +22.2 | -42.6 | +0.0 | -10.8 | +10.6 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
60 (60) |
95 (95) |
140 (140) |
169 (169) |
208 (208) |
223 (223) |
246 (246) |
255 (255) |
272 (0) |
292 (20) |
298 (26) | |
Instruments
Due to 60edo's highly composite nature, 272ed23 has an unusually high number of ways it can be subdivided. This means it has multiple good skip-fretting systems which can be used to create stringed instruments with playable fret spacings that still span the full gamut. Probably the best of these is tuning a compressed-octaves 20edo guitar to major thirds, emulating the pure-octaves one by Robin Perry in the image below. This is very closely related to the Kite Guitar.

























