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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">In [[13-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 13/12 is a neutral second of about 138.6¢. It is also a [[superparticular]] interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th overtone (between [[13_8|13/8]] and [[3_2|3/2]] in the octave). It is flat of the [[11-limit]] lesser neutral second of [[12_11|12/11]] by [[144_143|144/143]] (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of [[14_13|14/13]] by [[169_168|169/168]] (about 10.3¢).


The neutral second in [[17edo]] is about 141.2¢, about 2.6¢ sharp of 13/12. Thus, if 10\17edo (ten degrees of 17edo) is taken to approximate 3/2 and 12\17edo taken to approximate 13/8, you can generate a 13-limit harmonic triad that approximates an 8:12:13 chord with a good 13/12.
In [[13-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''13/12''' is the '''(lesser) tridecimal neutral second''' of about 138.6¢. It is a [[superparticular]] interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th harmonics (between [[13/8]] and [[3/2]] in the octave). It is flat of the [[11-limit]] lesser neutral second of [[12/11]] by [[144/143]] (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of [[14/13]] by [[169/168]] (about 10.3¢).


See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]</pre></div>
== Temperaments ==
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;13_12&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit"&gt;13-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 13/12 is a neutral second of about 138.6¢. It is also a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/superparticular"&gt;superparticular&lt;/a&gt; interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th overtone (between &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13_8"&gt;13/8&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3_2"&gt;3/2&lt;/a&gt; in the octave). It is flat of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit"&gt;11-limit&lt;/a&gt; lesser neutral second of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12_11"&gt;12/11&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/144_143"&gt;144/143&lt;/a&gt; (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/14_13"&gt;14/13&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/169_168"&gt;169/168&lt;/a&gt; (about 10.3¢).&lt;br /&gt;
 
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== Approximation ==
The neutral second in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo"&gt;17edo&lt;/a&gt; is about 141.2¢, about 2.6¢ sharp of 13/12. Thus, if 10\17edo (ten degrees of 17edo) is taken to approximate 3/2 and 12\17edo taken to approximate 13/8, you can generate a 13-limit harmonic triad that approximates an 8:12:13 chord with a good 13/12.&lt;br /&gt;
It is approximated to within about 0.11 [[cents]] by the 3-step interval of [[26edo]].
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See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intervals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
== See also ==
* [[24/13]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[18/13]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
 
[[Category:Second]]
[[Category:Neutral second]]

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Interval information
Ratio 13/12
Factorization 2-2 × 3-1 × 13
Monzo [-2 -1 0 0 0 1
Size in cents 138.5727¢
Name (lesser) tridecimal neutral second
Color name 3o2, tho 2nd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{m2}^{13} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney height (log2 nd) 7.2854
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 7.40088
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 20

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In 13-limit just intonation, 13/12 is the (lesser) tridecimal neutral second of about 138.6¢. It is a superparticular interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th harmonics (between 13/8 and 3/2 in the octave). It is flat of the 11-limit lesser neutral second of 12/11 by 144/143 (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of 14/13 by 169/168 (about 10.3¢).

Temperaments

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Approximation

It is approximated to within about 0.11 cents by the 3-step interval of 26edo.

See also