Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Terms of Service

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We just went and made this. Because when you sign up for an account, it asks you to agree to this page, and this page was blank. lol.

Wording is from one-on-one back and forths I've had with Kite, Jacob, Stephen W.

Site co-hoster Mike B. helped clarify the language.

When I've brought up before on the Facebook Xen Wiki group about adding something like this, people who don't have much skin in the game (non-editors and rarely-editors) SCREECHED at me and called me all kinds of names. I'm not sure why anyone would want to defend not booting actual trolls, but apparently some people do.

So I talked to people who actually add a lot to this wiki, discussed it one on one, and came up with this.

If you're not one of the people involved in this, Please do not edit the TOS page, especially the Legal section. Instead please offer suggestions on this Discussion page.

Anyone who thinks it's overkill, and "the rules go without saying", they don't. Users who cause strife on any wiki invariably say something "WHO SAYS I CAN'T ACT LIKE THIS?" then you can point to the TOS. The troll who inspired these rules actually said that to people.

The site owners also added this function: to sign up for an account on the Wiki, now have to have your email approved, then be manually approved by an admin.

It's good. The system works. I tested it, tried to sign up as "TrollyMcTrollerson", said I wanted to sell microtonal v-i-g-i-a-r....and got rejected.

Between that, and this, it should be far less crazy making to contribute to, and read, this site going forth. To those who helped make that happen. Thank you for your service!

Quote From The Great Failure of Wikipedia, 2004 article by Jason Scott: "This is what the inherent failure of wikipedia is. It’s that there’s a small set of content generators, a massive amount of wonks and twiddlers, and then a heaping amount of procedural whackjobs. And the mass of twiddlers and procedural whackjobs means that the content generators stop being so and have to become content defenders. ---

--SyntheticThought (talk) 18:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC) --Stephen Weigel (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. It needed to get done. I received some advice and created something accordingly that I think should cover the wiki in legal terms. I think the "Refraining from Certain Activities" section covers much of what we don't want people to be doing. You may notice that this section is borrowed from Wikimedia's Terms of Use. If you think that some procedures for dealing with disruptive users need to exist in written form, I think they can do so as part of a separate document. We can always add more items to the signup page. Tyler Henthorn (talk) 07:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Suggested wording for LEGAL section

These terms are subject to change, will be updated. For now, We're adopting The 3-Clause BSD License: https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause


LEGAL Copyright 2019, Xenharmonic Wiki

Redistribution and use of this site, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.

3. Neither the name of the copyright holder nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this site without specific prior written permission.

THIS SITE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SITE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.

LEGAL: TAKE DOWN REQUESTS

If you are the copyright holder of something used here, and believe it is not used within FAIR USE, please send an email to _______.

If you believe you have been slandered here, please send an email to ________________.

LEGAL: DATA RETENTION

This side does log your IP address, and does use cookies. And to edit the site, you need to provide your email address. But we do not sell them or rent them to any third-parties, and will not use the info to spam anyone.


--SyntheticThought (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)