User talk:Overthink
Hi
Welcome to my talk page! -- Overthink (talk) 03:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
Overly large EDO pages
I see that you've done some pretty good work on updating temperament pages and infoboxes and the like. However, we have already been dealing with a glut of stubs - i.e. pages with very minimal content beyond what is automatically generated - created for large EDOs or impractical intervals. You have failed to demonstrate notability for these EDOs, which is a very high burden when dealing with systems in the thousands or even hundreds of thousands of notes.
One reason you might be making these pages is that you just want to look at the harmonics table. That's reasonable, and I do that on a subpage of my userpage for the sake of minimizing disruption to the wiki, and I advise that you do similar in the future. You seem to want to make useful contributions in general, so take this advice so we can continue to mutually assume good faith.
Thanks, - Lériendil (talk) 07:23, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
- To add to this, the standard format for prime/odd harmonic tables is columns = 11. That shouldn't be exceeded in the majority of cases, especially where you're continuing the harmonics into several tables. (Columns = 9 is another standard.) -- Lériendil (talk) 09:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
Do I move some or all of pages of EDOs 7200, 7474, 17100, 74740, and 747400 to user pages? Maybe even some of 322, 484, 486, 528, and 699? --Overthink (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I made a big mess while trying to move 747400edo to User:Overthink/747400edo. Please have someone clean it up. --Overthink (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
- Think what you did is sufficient for these purposes. Cleaned up the 747400 mess. -- Lériendil (talk) 23:16, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
Should I take more breaks
On my article The circle of relative error, I wrote 11000 characters and about 2000 words in a single day. Perhaps I should spend a bit less time on this wiki and focus on other things. Just look at the first sentence of my user page.--Overthink (talk) 04:15, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
23-limit in 159edo
Hello! I see you've been working on a 159edo well temperament. I should mention that when I work in that tuning system and I use the 23-limit, I choose either the no-17's or the no-19's form, with the former being viable up to the 29-odd-limit, and the latter being viable up to the 27-odd-limit. I think you'd do well to take stock of the 2.3.11 subgroup in 159edo as that is the skeleton of what I work with, though I will add the 5-prime and I'm admittedly trying to learn how to add the 7-prime and the 13-prime without stacking them multiple times. I've also literally invented a microtonal cadence in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup that might be of interest. --Aura (talk) 05:37, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- I believe a 159-note mos of tribilo (2.3.11 nexus) temperament may be useful, and it could contain better approximations of intervals outside of 2.3.11 as well. --Overthink (talk) 06:10, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
- You'd be right about that, but you'd also be right if you decided on a 159-note MOS of frameshift. Fortunately, 159edo itself tempers out both the nexus comma and the frameshift comma. --Aura (talk) 17:37, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- It would be nice if the 2.3.5.11 subgroup was more connected. Prime 5 is equated to -8 fifths octave reduced, which is relatively close, but three 11/8s reach the original chain of fifths +28/-25 fifths away, which is almost exactly the opposite side of the circle. Three 11/10's return only a single fifth down, but unfortunately intervals with 3 factors of 5 are (just barely) inconsistent. There doesn't seem to be a very simple way to connect 2.3.11 to prime 5, but think I found a solution: Prime 17! The 4 intervals closest to the 12edo semitone in 159edo are 256/243, 18/17, 17/16, and 2187/2048. Prime 17 could be quite useful in classical music, such as in the 17:20:24 diminished chord. Prime 5 is found much more easily and consistently, as simply 3/2 minus 3 17/16s, and nothing of this simplicity is in 2.3.5.11. I believe it would be a good idea to devise a system of 2.3.17 analogous to alpharabian tuning, and you could easily just add back prime 11. --Overthink (talk) 04:24, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- I believe a 12edo-based classification of intervals based on 2.3.5.17 Term temperament may be good, and for prime 11 use an 24edo-based classification from hemiterm. Note that 159edo supports both.--Overthink (talk) 05:07, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- Or maybe just start with simpler intervals of 2.3.17.--Overthink (talk) 05:17, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- One way I've noticed for connecting primes 11 and 5, or rather combinations of 3 and 11 with combinations of 3 and 5, is to equate three instances of 243/242 with 81/80. Prime 17 is also a good addition, and it simplifies certain 11-based gestures in 159edo by 17/16 being equated with two instances of 33/32. I should note that 159edo supports both of these options. --Aura (talk) 06:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
A third option I just found for connecting primes 3, 5 and 11 is to equate two instances of 81/80 with 4096/3993. You are right that none of these are particularly simple, but I still find these methods to be highly valuable- especially with prime 17 coming in to simplify things. --Aura (talk) 07:00, 16 November 2025 (UTC)