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A [[3-limit]] comma is the amount which separates m [[3/2|fifth]]<nowiki/>s from n [[octave]]<nowiki/>s. It is the simplest kind of comma a tuning may [[Tempering out|temper out]]. All commas not equal to the perfect fourth listed here generate interlaced pentatonic scales when tempered out.
A [[3-limit]] comma is the amount which separates ''m'' [[3/2|fifths]] from ''n'' [[octave]]s. It is the simplest kind of comma a tuning may [[Tempering out|temper out]]. All commas not equal to the perfect fourth listed here generate interlaced pentatonic scales and fifths tempered by up to one step of ''n''-[[edo]] when tempered out.
 
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{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
!Name(s)
! colspan="2" | Name(s)
! colspan="2" |[[Color notation|Color Name]]
! colspan="2" | [[Color notation|Color Name]]
!Ratio
! [[Monzo]]
!Monzo
! [[Cent]]s
!Cents
|-
| whole tone
| 2-comma
| wa 2nd
| w2
| {{Monzo| -3 2 }}
| 203.91
|-
|-
|24-comma
|wa-24 comma
|w-24
|
|
|{{monzo| -37 24}}
| 193-comma
|1246.92
| wa-193 comma
| w-193
| {{Monzo| 306 -193 }}
| 202.46
|-
|-
|48-comma
|wa-48 comma
|w-48
|
|
|{{monzo| 77 -48 }}
| 255-comma
|1106.16
| wa-255 comma
| w-255
| {{Monzo| -404 255 }}
| 198.525
|-
|-
|41b-comma
|wa-41b comma
|w-41b
|
|
|{{monzo| -64 41 }}
| 104-comma
|1080.155
| wa-104 comma
| w-104
| {{Monzo| 165 -104 }}
| 196.68
|-
|-
|29b-comma
|wa-29b comma
|w-29b
|
|
|{{monzo| -45 29 }}
| 157-comma
|1156.695
| wa-157 comma
| w-157
| {{Monzo| 249 -157 }}
| 193.065
|-
|-
|Pythagorean supermajor seventh, 17b-comma
|wa-17b comma
|w-17b
|
|
|{{monzo| -26 17 }}
| 149-comma
|1133.235
| wa-149 comma
| w-149
| {{Monzo| -236 149 }}
| 191.295
|-
|-
|51-comma
|wa-51 comma
|w-51
|
|
|{{monzo| -80 51 }}
| 263-comma
|999.705
| wa-263 comma
| w-263
| {{Monzo| 417 -263 }}
| 185.835
|-
|-
|44-comma
|wa-44 comma
|w-44
|
|
|{{monzo| 69 -44 }}
| 43-comma
|886.02
| wa-43 comma
| w-43
| {{Monzo| -68 43 }}
| 184.065
|-
|-
|34-comma
|wa-34 comma
|w-34
|
|
|{{monzo| -53 34 }}
| 296-comma
|835.485
| wa-296 comma
| w-296
| {{Monzo| -469 296 }}
| 178.68
|-
|-
|19b-comma
|wa-19b comma
|w-19
|
|
|{{monzo|29 -19}}
| 63-comma
|1062.855
| wa-63 comma
| w-63
| {{Monzo| 100 -63 }}
| 176.835
|-
|-
|31b-comma
|wa-31b comma
|w-31b
|
|
|{{monzo| 50 -31 }}
| 243-comma
|1039.395
| wa-243 comma
| w-243
| {{Monzo| -385 243 }}
| 175.605
|-
|-
|43b-comma
|wa-43b comma
|w-43b
|
|
|{{monzo| 67 -43 }}
| 190-comma
|1015.395
| wa-190 comma
| w-190
| {{Monzo| -301 190 }}
| 171.45
|-
|-
|39b-comma
|wa-39b comma
|w-39b
|
|
|{{monzo| -61 39 }}
| 169-comma
|976.25
| wa-169 comma
| w-169
| {{Monzo| 268 -169}}
| 169.605
|-
|-
|Pythagorean harmonic seventh, 14-comma
|wa-14 comma
|w-14
|
|
|{{Monzo|23 -14}}
| 137-comma
|972.63
| wa-137 comma
| w-137
| {{Monzo| -217 137 }}
| 167.835
|-
|-
|27b-comma
|wa-27b comma
|w-27b
|
|
|{{monzo| -44 27}}
| 275-comma
|952.785
| wa-275 comma
| w-275
| {{Monzo| 436 -275 }}
| 162.375
|-
|-
|Pythagorean supermajor sixth, 15-comma
|wa-15 comma
|w-15
|
|
|{{Monzo|-23 15}}
| [[31-comma_temperaments|31-comma]]
|929.325
| wa-31 comma
| w-31
| {{Monzo| -49 31 }}
| 160.605
|-
|-
|38-comma
|wa-38 comma
|w-38
|
|
|{{monzo| -61 38 }}
| 22-comma
|925.71
| wa-22 comma
| w-22
| {{Monzo| 35 -22 }}
| 156.99
|-
|-
|21-comma
|wa-21 comma
|w-21
|
|
|{{Monzo| 34 -21}}
| 75-comma
|858.945
| wa-75 comma
| w-75
| {{Monzo|119 -75}}
| 153.375
|-
|-
|20-comma
|wa-20 comma
|w-20
|
|
|{{Monzo| -31 20}}
| 128-comma
|839.1
| wa-128 comma
| w-128
| {{Monzo| 203 -128}}
| 149.76
|-
|-
|33b-comma
|wa-33b comma
|w-33b
|
|
|{{monzo| 53 -33 }}
| 181-comma
|835.485
| wa-181 comma
| w-181
| {{Monzo| 287 -181 }}
| 146.145
|-
|-
|37b-comma
|wa-37b comma
|w-37b
|
|
|{{monzo| -58 37 }}
| 125-comma
|772.335
| wa-125 comma
| w-125
| {{Monzo| -198 125}}
| 144.375
|-
|-
|25-comma
|wa-25 comma
|w-25
|
|
|{{Monzo| -39 25}}
| 234-comma
|748.875
| wa-234 comma
| w-234
| {{Monzo| 371 -234 }}
| 142.53
|-
|-
|28-comma
|wa-28 comma
|w-28
|
|
|{{monzo| 45 -28}}
| 19-comma
|745.26
| wa-19 comma
| w-19
| {{Monzo| -30 19 }}
| 137.145
|-
|-
|13-comma
|wa-13 comma
|w-13
|
|
|{{Monzo| -20 13}}
| 272-comma
|725.415
| wa-272 comma
| w-272
| {{Monzo| -431 272 }}
| 131.75
|-
|-
|54-comma
|wa-54 comma
|w-54
|
|
|{{monzo| -85 54 }}
| 219-comma
|705.57
| wa-219 comma
| w-219
| {{Monzo| -347 219 }}
| 128.145
|-
|-
|52-comma
|wa-52 comma
|w-52
|
|
|{{monzo| 83 -52 }}
| 166-comma
|698.33
| wa-166 comma
| w-166
| {{Monzo| -263 166}}
| 124.53
|-
|-
|Pythagorean wolf fifth, 11b-comma
|
|small wa 5th
| 113-comma
|sw5
| wa-113 comma
|262144 / 177147
| w-113
|{{monzo| 18 -11}}
| {{Monzo| 179 -113 }}
|678.495
| 120.915
|-
|-
|47b-comma
| [[2187/2048|Apotome]]
|wa-47b comma
| 7-comma
|w-47b
| lawa unison
|
| Lw1
|{{monzo| 75 -47 }}
| {{Monzo| -11 7 }}
|610.115
| 113.685
|-
|-
|47-comma
| Pythagorean-septendecimal semitone
|wa-47 comma
| 207-comma
|w-47
| wa-207 comma
|
| w-207
|{{monzo| -74 47 }}
| {{Monzo| -328 207 }}
|591.885
| 104.685
|-
|-
|42-comma
|wa-42 comma
|w-42
|
|
|{{monzo| 67 -42 }}
| 46-comma
|517.89
| wa-46 comma
| w-46
| {{Monzo| 73 -46 }}
| 110.07
|-
|-
|23b-comma
|wa-23b comma
|w-23b
|
|
|{{monzo| 37 -23}}
| 99-comma
|655.055
| wa-99 comma
| w-99
| {{Monzo| 157 -99 }}
| 106.455
|-
|-
|30-comma
|wa-30 comma
|w-30
|
|
|{{monzo| -47 30 }}
| 152-comma
|658.65
| wa-152 comma
| w-152
| {{Monzo| 241 -152 }}
| 102.84
|-
|-
|18-comma
|wa-18 comma
|w-18
|
|
|{{monzo|29 -18}}
| 101-comma
|564.81
| wa-101 comma
| w-101
| {{Monzo| -160 101 }}
| 97.455
|-
|-
|23-comma
|wa-23 comma
|w-23
|
|
|{{monzo| -36 23}}
| 258-comma
|544.965
| wa-258 comma
| w-258
| {{Monzo| 409 -258 }}
| 95.61
|-
|-
|Pythagorean wolf fourth, 11-comma
| Limma, Pythagorean minor second
|Large wa 4th
| 5-comma
|Lw4
| sawa 2nd
|177147 / 131072
| sw2
|{{monzo| -17 11}}
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
|521.505
| 90.225
|-
|-
|40-comma
|wa-40 comma
|w-40
|
|
|{{monzo| 63 -40 }}
| 301-comma
|478.2
| wa-301 comma
| w-301
| {{Monzo| -477 301 }}
| 88.455
|-
|-
|13b-comma
|wa-13b comma
|w-13b
|
|
|{{Monzo| 21 -13}}
| 248-comma
|474.585
| wa-248 comma
| w-248
| {{Monzo| -393 248 }}
| 84.840
|-
|-
|perfect fourth
|
|wa 4th
| 111-comma
|w4
| wa-111 comma
|[[4/3|4 / 3]]
| w-111
|{{monzo| 2 -1}}
| {{Monzo| 176 -111 }}
|498.045
| 82.995
|-
|-
|Pythagorean supermajor third, 16-comma
|wa-16 comma
|w-16
|
|
|{{Monzo|-25 16}}
| 195-comma
|431.28
| wa-195 comma
| w-195
| {{Monzo| -309 195 }}
| 81.225
|-
|-
|49-comma
|wa-49 comma
|w-49
|
|
|{{monzo| 78 -49 }}
| 142-comma
|404.205
| wa-142 comma
| w-142
| {{Monzo| -225 142 }}
| 77.610
|-
|-
|37-comma
|wa-37 comma
|w-37
|
|
|{{monzo| 59 -37 }}
| 217-comma
|427.665
| wa-217 comma
| w-217
| {{Monzo| 344 -217 }}
| 75.765
|-
|-
|45-comma
|wa-45 comma
|w-45
|
|
|{{monzo| -71 45 }}
| 89-comma
|387.975
| wa-89 comma
| w-89
| {{Monzo| -141 89 }}
| 73.995
|-
|-
|Pythagorean diminished fourth, 8-comma
|
|small wa 4th
| [[17-comma]]
|sw4
| wa-17 comma
|[[8192/6561|8192 / 6561]]
| w-17
|{{Monzo| 13 -8 }}
| {{Monzo| 27 -17 }}
|384.360
| 66.765
|-
|-
|33-comma
|wa-33 comma
|w-33
|
|
|{{monzo| -52 33 }}
| 289-comma
|364.515
| wa-289 comma
| w-289
| {{Monzo| -458 289 }}
| 64.995
|-
|-
|32-comma
|wa-32 comma
|w-32
|
|
|{{monzo| 51 -32 }}
| 70-comma
|337.44
| wa-70 comma
| w-70
| {{Monzo| 111 -70 }}
| 63.150
|-
|-
|Pythagorean augmented second, 9-comma
|
|large wa 2nd
| 183-comma
|Lw2
| wa-183 comma
|[[19683/16384]]
| w-183
|{{Monzo| -14 9 }}
| {{Monzo| -290 183 }}
|317.595
| 57.765
|-
|-
|50-comma
|wa-50 comma
|w-50
|
|
|{{monzo| -79 50 }}
| 176-comma
|404.205
| wa-176 comma
| w-176
| {{Monzo| 279 -176 }}
| 55.920
|-
|-
|Pythagorean minor third, 3-comma
|
|wa 3rd
| 229-comma
|w3
| wa-229 comma
|[[32/27|32 / 27]]
| w-229
|{{Monzo| 5 -3 }}
| {{Monzo| 363 -229 }}
|294.135
| 52.305
|-
|-
|26-comma
|wa-26 comma
|w-26
|
|
|{{monzo| -41 26 }}
| 77-comma
|250.83
| wa-77 comma
| w-77
| {{Monzo| -122 77 }}
| 50.535
|-
|-
|27-comma
|wa-27 comma
|w-27
|
|
|{{monzo| 43 -27 }}
| 282-comma
|247.215
| wa-282 comma
| w-282
| {{Monzo| 447 -282 }}
| 48.69
|-
|-
|39-comma
|wa-39 comma
|w-39
|
|
|{{monzo| 62 -39 }}
| [[29-comma]]
|223.75
| wa-29 comma
| w-29
| {{Monzo| 46 -29 }}
| 43.305
|-
|-
|55-comma
|wa-55 comma
|w-55
|
|
|{{monzo| -87 55 }}
| 277-comma
|207.525
| wa-277 comma
| w-277
| {{Monzo| -439 277 }}
| 41.535
|-
|-
|whole tone
|
|wa 2nd
| 224-comma
|w2
| wa-224 comma
|[[9/8|9 / 8]]
| w-224
|{{monzo| -3 2 }}
| {{Monzo| -355 224 }}
|203.91
| 37.920
|-
|-
|43-comma
|wa-43 comma
|w-43
|
|
|{{monzo| -68 43 }}
| 135-comma
|184.065
| wa-135 comma
| w-135
| {{Monzo| 214 -135 }}
| 36.075
|-
|-
|63-comma
|wa-63 comma
|w-63
|
|
|{{monzo| 100 -63 }}
| 171-comma
|176.835
| wa-171 comma
| w-171
| {{Monzo| -271 171 }}
| 34.305
|-
|-
|[[31-comma_temperaments|31-comma]]
|
|wa-31 comma
| 118-comma
|w-31
| wa-118 comma
|617673396283947 / 562949953421312
| w-118
|{{monzo| -49 31 }}
| {{Monzo| -187 118 }}
|160.605
| 30.690
|-
|-
|22-comma
|wa-22 comma
|w-22
|34359738368 / 31381059609
|{{monzo| 35 -22 }}
|156.99
|-
|19-comma
|wa-19 comma
|w-19
|1162261467 / 1073741824
|{{monzo| -30 19 }}
|137.145
|-
|apotome
|large wa unison
|Lw1
|[[2187/2048|2187 / 2048]]
|{{monzo| -11 7 }}
|113.685
|-
|46-comma
|wa-46 comma
|w-46
|
|
|{{monzo| 73 -46 }}
| 241-comma
|110.07
| wa-241 comma
| w-241
| {{Monzo| 382 -241 }}
| 28.845
|-
|-
|limma, Pythagorean minor second
| Pythagorean septimal comma
|small wa 2nd
| 65-comma
|sw2
| wa-65 comma
|[[256/243|256 / 243]]
| w-65
|{{monzo| 8 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| -103 65 }}
|90.225
| 27.075
|-
|-
|[[17-comma]]
| [[Pythagorean comma]]
|wa-17 comma
| 12-comma
|ssw3
| lalawa comma
|134217728 / 129140163
| LLw-2
|{{monzo| 27 -17 }}
| {{Monzo| -19 12 }}
|66.765
| 23.460
|-
|-
|70-comma
| Pythagorean countercomma, countercomp comma
|wa-70 comma
| [[41-comma]]
|w-70
| wa-41 comma
|
| w-41
|{{monzo| 111 -70 }}
| {{monzo| 65 -41 }}
|63.15
| 19.845
|-
|77-comma
|wa-77 comma
|w-77
|
|{{monzo| -122 77 }}
|50.535
|-
|-
|[[29-comma]]
| [[Stearnsmic clan #Garistearn|Garistearn comma]]
|wa-29 comma
| 94-comma
|w-29
| wa-94 comma
|70368744177664 / 68630377364883
| w-94
|{{monzo| 46 -29 }}
| {{Monzo| 149 -94 }}
|43.305
| 16.230
|-
|-
|65-comma
|wa-65 comma
|w-65
|
|
|{{monzo| -103 65}}
| 147-comma
|27.075
| wa-147 comma
|-
| w-147
|[[Pythagorean comma]]
| {{Monzo| 233 -147 }}
|lalawa comma
| 12.615
or wa comma
|LLw-2
|531441 / 524288
|{{monzo| -19 12 }}
|23.460
|-
|-
|[[41-comma]]
| Pythagorean integer-cent ET comma
|wa-41 comma
| 200-comma
|w-41
| wa-200 comma
|36893488147419103232 /
| w-200
36472996377170786403
| {{Monzo| 317 -200 }}
|{{monzo| 65 -41 }}
| 8.9998
|19.845
|-
|-
|94-comma
|wa-94 comma
|w-94
|
|
|{{monzo| 149 -94 }}
| 253-comma
|16.230
| wa-253 comma
| w-253
| {{Monzo| 401 -253 }}
| 5.3848
|-
|-
|200-comma, Pythagorean integer cents comma<!--the meaning of "integer cents" is ambiguous, because this comma is both near an integer in cents and involves integer cent fifths (702 cents), causing that term to be inconsistently used for one or the other-->
| [[Mercator's comma]]
|wa-200 comma
| 53-comma
|w-200
| wa-53 comma
|
| w-53
|{{monzo| 317 -200 }}
| {{Monzo| -84 53 }}
|8.9998
| 3.6150
|-
|-
|[[Mercator's comma]], 53-comma
|[[Qian's large comma]]
|wa-53 comma
| 359-comma
|w-53
| wa-359 comma
|19383245667680019896796723 /
| w-359
19342813113834066795298816
| {{Monzo| -569 359 }}
|{{monzo| -84 53 }}
| 1.8453
|3.6150
|-
|-
|359-comma
| [[Qian's small comma]]
|wa-359 comma
| 306-comma
|w-359
| wa-306 comma
|
| w-306
|{{monzo| -569 359 }}
| {{Monzo| 485 -306 }}
|1.8453
| 1.7697
|-
|-
|[[Sasktel comma]]
| [[Satanic comma]]
|wa-306 comma
| 665-comma
|w-306
| wa-665 comma
|
| w-665
|{{monzo| 485 -306 }}
| {{Monzo| -1054 665 }}
|1.7697
| 0.075575
|-
|-
|[[Satanic comma]]
|wa-665 comma
|w-665
|
|
|{{monzo| -1054 665 }}
| 15601-comma
|0.075575
| wa-15601 comma
| w-15601
| {{Monzo| 24727 -15601 }}
| 0.031499
|-
|-
|15601-comma
|wa-15601 comma
|w-15601
|
|
|{{monzo| 24727 -15601 }}
| 31867-comma
|0.031499
| wa-31867 comma
| w-31867
| {{Monzo| -50508 31867 }}
| 0.012577
|-
|-
|31867-comma
| [[Archangelic comma]]
|wa-31867 comma
| 190537-comma
|w-31867
| wa-190537 comma
|
| w-190537
|{{monzo| -50508 31867 }}
| {{Monzo| 301994 -190537 }}
|0.012577
| 0.000112
|}
|}
[[Category:3-limit]]
[[Category:Lists of commas]]
{{Todo| unify precision }}