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| These are the confessions of an ex-microtonalist, someone who spent years in the field, recorded and released several critically-acclaimed albums (which are no longer available, except perhaps in hidden recesses of __[[#|the internet]]__), absorbed as much of the theory as he possibly could, and ultimately decided it was all for naught. As his final contribution to the community, he gave the following reasons for why he ultimately found microtonality not to be worthwhile, in the hopes that it might provide a much-needed counterpoint to the community's unbridled enthusiasm, and that it might counter some of extravagant and unsubstantiated claims about the benefits of going microtonal.
| | My name is Igliashon Jones, and I identified as a microtonalist for a solid 7 years of my life. The purpose of this article is to explain why I stopped identifying as one, and why I think more people should stop identifying themselves this way (or never start in the first place). For the purposes of this op-ed, I'm going to use the term "microtonality" to refer more to a particular disposition to alternative tunings, rather than simply the use of alternative tunings. This is important, because it is my view that it is entirely possible to use tunings other than 12-TET without using "microtonality", without making "microtonal" music, and certainly without becoming "a microtonalist". |
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| ==1. Tuning doesn't make as much difference as you'd think==
| | So what is "microtonality", as I'm using the term? Simply put, microtonality is the belief that tunings (and theoretical ideas about tunings) have immense musical importance, generally above and beyond any other single aspect of music (and occasionally above and beyond ''all'' other aspects of music). That is to say, when one becomes a microtonalist and adopts the principles of microtonality, one often finds oneself engaged in composing, seeking out, listening to, and/or discussing music which, were it not in an alternative tuning, one would generally find unremarkable (if not outright detestable). For example, re-tuned MIDI files, cheesy Csound renderings, amaturish guitar plunkings, or even simply music that falls well outside of one's normal tastes. In fact, one may even become fanatically devoted to this sort of music, perhaps even losing touch with musical taste all together. |
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| When I first got into microtonality, I thought I was going to lead a revolution. I thought I had discovered something that threw a monkey-wrench into all of Western music theory, something that would open up stark new possibilities and lead to the re-invention of music as we know it. But then I tried to share my discovery with my fellow musicians, and was shocked to discover that none agreed with me. And they agreed even less when they actually heard the music that resulted from these new tunings. Those who could hear a difference generally found it to be a negative difference. Most of the people who responded favorably at all were those who lacked in musical training and couldn't really hear the difference at all.
| | Another typical aspect of microtonality (as opposed to simply "making music with alternative tunings") is that one generally spends a majority (or even the entirety) of one's music-related time creating, discovering, and/or exploring new tunings, either in theory or in composition. A microtonalist who uses only a single alternative tuning is basically unheard of, and any person who ''does'' only use a single alternative tuning probably doesn't identify as "a microtonalist". Microtonality as a movement suffers from an intense form of attention deficit disorder, which prevents any real musical progress from being made: this ADD ensures that musical collaboration is rare and short-lived, or indeed ''any'' in-depth exploration of an alternative tuning. One only needs to spend a week on a microtonal discussion forum (such as the facebook "Xenharmonic Alliance") to see this ADD in action--rarely (if ever) can a single tuning hold the focus of any one person, let alone the whole group. This is, of course, by design--a core principle of microtonality is that there is no one "best" tuning, because different tunings are good for different things, and so everyone must be free to choose tunings at will, just as they would choose tempo, rhythm, orchestration, dynamics (etc.). Nevermind the fact that few people (if any) ever spend long enough with a tuning to actually figure out what it is and is not good for, or the fact that few (if any) can even agree on which tunings are good or bad for which musical purposes. The acceptance of the validity and utility of infinitely-many tunings is the central dogma of microtonality and is never questioned. |
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| Even within the community of microtonalists, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tuning by ear, even after years of exposure, or even distinguish between tunings after having the field narrowed down. This has been roundly acknowledged. With a bit of ear-training, pretty much any musician can learn to identify the basic chord-types of 12-TET, but it seems that only those with absolute pitch can learn, even with extensive training and exposure, to even occasionally distinguish which of the low ETs a piece of music is in. In other words, the difference between different chords in 12-TET is of vastly more auditory significance than the difference between different ETs. If anyone tells you that ETs all have distinct moods and personalities that are totally unlike anything found in 12-TET, this person has drank the kool-aid and is completely out of touch with the experience of all non-specialist listeners. The reality is that the intonational differences are exceedingly subtle, even when they (numerically) appear large, unless you are one of the lucky few to have exceedingly sensitive ears--i.e., if you're the sort to whom 12-TET always sounds out-of-tune. Even then, odds are you will only be able to tell when a sonority is close to JI or not--don't expect to differentiate 14-ET from 15-ET, nor 19-ET from 22-ET.
| | All of this is extremely hazardous to the musician. To enter the microtonal world, one is compelled either to bite the bullet and climb the learning curve to assimilate all the available information on all the available tunings (even if all one wants is to find a single good tuning), or else one can simply dig in to a scale library and explore as many tunings as one can without giving a thought to the theoretical considerations behind them. Neither approach tends to aid the composer in producing better music--one easily either gets lost in exhibiting the various theoretical properties of tunings, or gets lost in the tunings themselves. The fact that composing and producing microtonal music severely limits one's choices of instrumentation (due to the incompatibility of most major soft- and hardware synthesizers with alternative tunings, as well as the lack of readily-available alternative-tuning-friendly acoustic instruments) is also significant; the microtonalist often has to make do with subpar or homemade equipment, or pay a premium price for custom-constructed instruments. This last aspect is especially detrimental when combined with the ADD typical of microtonalists--it is rare that any microtonalist bothers to build or purchase multiple instruments in the same tuning. |
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| ==2. Changing tunings will not change who you are==
| | But perhaps the worst part of being a microtonalist is the loss of healthy perspective. Oftentimes the adoption of microtonality leads one to scorn "regular" music and to treat 12-tone equal temperament with disdain. The healthiest microtonalists are those who ''don't'' subscribe to the anti-12 rhetoric, and maintain at least one foot firmly planted in the 12-tet world, continuing to play "regular" music with "regular" musicians (although, these folks are seldom prolific composers in alternative tunings). Those who choose instead to detach from the musical community at large and plunge with both feet into microtonality--which is precisely what ''I'' did--can completely lose touch with the outside world, and develop a delusional sense of the importance of the microtonal "movement" (or rather, the delusion that there ''is'' a microtonal movement at all, and that it is important). This sort of delusion can and does lead people to get all kinds of worked up over trivial matters; I was an especially potent and recent case of this, but the history of the various online tuning groups is rife with other examples. |
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| We have all grown up being exposed to music, and that exposure has shaped our relationship to music, our perception of music, and our compositional approaches. Changing tunings does not suddenly do away with the years of experience that have shaped you. You will not automatically find new compositional approaches in a new tuning; rather, you will most likely find ways to shoe-horn your favorite gestures and tricks into the new tuning's vocabulary, much like African-American musicians did when they were lost access to their traditional instruments and had to make due with Western instruments. You can take the composer out of 12-TET, but you can't really take the 12-TET out of the composer. Microtonalists will dispute this, but that is because they are not able to hear their music the way outsiders hear it anymore. Becoming hyper-aware of intonational nuances doesn't mean you've magically created a new musical language that is obvious to everyone else. It more likely means you've just lost your awareness of the influences that have shaped you.
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| The only hope is for people who weren't already 12-TET musicians or composers prior to getting into microtonality. These people--people like Gene Ward Smith--speak microtonality natively, and their music reflects it. But that doesn't leave them in better shape; like "native" speakers of Esperanto or other constructed languages, there are very few people in the world who can understand them.
| | This is what I'm actively researching right now, because despite my harsh words about microtonality, I do think alternative tunings (or at least, a few alternative tunings) are worthwhile to pursue and develop musically. What I have figured out so far: |
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| ==3. The "community"==
| | '''1. Don't Quit 12-tet''' |
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| "Microtonality" is not a genre of music, but unfortunately it gets treated like one. The community of microtonalists on the internet is an extremely disparate mix of people from all musical and cultural backgrounds, and the only common thread between them is an interest in alternate tunings. This might sound great, but it has some really awful sides to it, as not everyone is willing to be tolerant of other people's ideas and prejudices. Many personalities within the community are larger-than-life--how could they not be, when microtonality is usually the province of the "rugged individualist"? Flame-wars are woefully common, and don't think you can avoid them by being reasonable. It is often the most intelligent and rational people who get dragged into them. I've seen myself and many of my colleagues reduced to spiteful vitriolic tantrums thanks to what in another community would have been a perfectly civil debate. People get placed on moderation and outright banned with disturbing frequency. The number of people who have been banned from microtonal forums, or fled them due to harassment, is easily large enough to form a community all on their own. I have never seen this kind of behavior in other esoteric niche communities. The microtonal community can really bring out the worst in people.
| | 12-tet is a great tuning, and much of the microtonal theory supports it--indeed, much of the theory arose to try to explain ''why'' and ''how'' 12-tet is as awesome as it is. For a tremendous variety of musical applications, there is simply no better tuning. It's okay to acknowledge that, and you don't have to give up your interest in alternative tunings to do so. |
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| But perhaps the worst aspect of the community is the way it can come to eclipse your relationship to the community of "regular" musicians. The endless rabbit-holes of theory, the constant debates, the endless stream of new information to keep up with--the more energy you put into the microtonal community, the more it sucks you in. And what you get out of it seems inversely proportional to what you put in. The best microtonal musicians--the ones with the most commercial success--are those who keep a very healthy distance between themselves and the community. It's just a simple fact, and a survey of the community will confirm it.
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| My experience has been that the longer I stay in the community and the deeper I delve into it, the less I'm able to just "play music" with regular musicians. Microtonality can become a wall between you and the rest of the musical world. And that is a terrible loss.
| | Spend the minimum amount of time possible searching for a tuning you like, and once you find one, spend the rest of your life with it. Become the world's leading expert in it. The bulk of microtonal discussions center around discovering and categorizing tunings; once you pick one and stick to it, you will have no need or desire for those sorts of discussions. Instead, you'll be interested in figuring out how music works in your chosen tuning, and will quickly get past the theoretical exhibitionary phase and start integrating the tuning on a deeper level. If you must, pick a couple, but be warned that the more tunings you try to use, the shorter distance you will progress with any of them. |
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| ==4. The music==
| | '''3. Understand the True (Lack of) Importance of Tuning in Composition''' |
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| The bar is set pretty low, qualitatively speaking, for microtonal music. Not that there aren't great composers and performers! There certainly are, but the fact of the matter is the microtonal community is desperate for music, and will laud output of any quality. The worst music I've ever written is my microtonal music, yet it is also the most acclaimed. This has led, over the years, to a laziness on my part, and it makes perfect sense: when you can fart out a little track in 20 minutes, put it on SoundCloud, and get 20 people on facebook telling you how awesome it is, it's hard to be motivated to really put your heart and soul into something. The community rewards all musical output equally, it really does, and NO ONE will tell you that you suck. It just doesn't happen. As brutal as the debates can be, no one in the community is willing to be brutally HONEST about the quality of your music. But the reality is, most of it sucks. Most of MY music sucked, compared to what I wrote in 12-TET, and people loved it. And I became a worse composer because of it.
| | Tuning and intonation are subtle things, compared to rhythm, orchestration, dynamics, and lyrics (in vocal music). One can often wildly alter the intonation of a piece of music without making it unrecognizable, and in many cases alterations may even be unnoticeable to non-expert listeners. For example, diatonic music in 17edo can oftentimes be passed off as "normal", despite intonational variances of more than 30 cents from 12-tet in some intervals. In most cases, a change in timbre is more noticeable than a change in tuning, unless the change in tuning is rather extreme. It all seems to be profoundly challenging to write music that non-expert listeners will both a) recognize as being tuned unusually and b) not hear as "out-of-tune" (and this applies as much to extended JI as it does to exotemperaments). Good music is made by the skillful manipulation of ''all'' compositional parameters, not an obsessive focus on a single one. Especially considering that tuning is nothing more than a particular set of ''constraints'' on harmonic and melodic construction, and is only audible ''through'' harmony and melody. |
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| ==5. The costs and limitations==
| | '''4. Recognize That There is No "Microtonal Movement"''' |
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| You hear a lot of enthusiastic jibber-jabber about how microtonality can "liberate" you from the tyranny of 12-TET. Well, part of that liberation is being "liberated" from access to a wide variety of instruments and other musical equipment. Once you go micro, you are consigning yourself to using only custom-made or retunable instruments, which represent only a small fraction of what's available at your average music store. You may find that most of the instruments you already own are suddenly completely useless to you as a microtonalist. Get ready to $pend $pend $pend! Or, do what most do, and resign yourself to using cheesy-sounding freely-available synths. The majority of microtonal music out there is made with sub-standard production values, just because that's what's available.
| | Movements are unified and cohesive actions undertaken by a coordinated mass of people to achieve a specific and definite set of goals. In the microtonal "community", the lone unifying principle is "not 12-tet", or more properly, "not 12-tet all of the time". There are no unified actions being undertaken, the people are not coordinate, and the set of goals is anything but specific and definite. There is no movement, just a bunch of people from a vast diversity of backgrounds whose obsession with alternative tunings has driven them together. If you feel inclined to the same messianic bent I once had, believing that someday the microtonal movement will overthrow the 12-tet hegemony and replace it with your favorite tuning or even just complete intonational freedom, you should probably seek help. Lord knows I should have. |
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| As a microtonal guitarist, my guitars cost double what a 12-TET guitar costs, because I had to pay for custom fretboards for all of them. This usually meant buying cheap guitars made with cheap pickups and cheap woods...so ultimately, I paid MORE for a lower-quality instrument. Lots of people opt to do their own fretwork because of this, but this usually results in poor-quality fretwork, because fretwork is hard and really needs special training. Most of the people who build their own instruments just don't end up building very high-quality instruments, and the music that results tends to reflect that. And remember, time and money you spend on making an instrument compatible with your chosen tuning is time and money NOT spent on, y'know, studio equipment, amps, effects, production value, etc.
| | '''5. Never Stop Having Fun''' |
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| ==6. 12-TET is actually and objectively the best ET (for many musical circumstances)==
| | This is music, and music is nothing but a pleasant diversional activity to help keep us all sane and happy as our little blue-green spaceship hurtles precariously through the cosmos. Enjoy the heck out it before you do anything else with it. That goes double for the study and application of alternative tunings. |
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| If you consider the 19-odd-limit as the upper cutoff for chord consonance (which is, by most accounts, as high as most people want to go), 12-TET is pretty tough to beat. You get harmonics 2, 3, 5, 9, 15, 17, and 19--only 7, 11, and 13 are missing, though it's arguable that even 7 (and its attendant ratios) is on the radar, being only about 30 cents off from Just. If you want to add any of the missing harmonics without sacrificing those already present, it's not until you get to 24-ET that this is possible.
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| You also get many of the best 5-limit temperaments--meantone, srutal, augmented, diminished, injera, schismatic, passion, and ripple. The harmonic relationships are simple--three 5/4's, four 6/5's, six 9/8's, and twelve 3/2's each get you back to your starting note, so you don't have any long chains of intervals to keep track of or navigate. This often means that instruments designed for 12-TET are easier to learn and play than instruments designed for other tunings; in the case of the guitar this is particularly true, as it is quite a bit more difficult, at least conceptually, for most players to master competitive ETs (19, 22, 31, etc.) with the same fluency and command they have in 12-ET.
| | Admit when something is not working. Admit when the tuning doesn't serve you, or when it's become too much of your focus, or when you just don't like it. Don't be too gentle with yourself, and don't get too hung up on ideology or rhetoric. |
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| Furthermore, the harmonic improvements afforded by ETs like 19, 22, and 31 in the 5-limit are actually quite modest, and rarely of noticeable significance in the idioms of popular music. In classical idioms, it's already common-practice (at least among horns, winds, and strings) to intone 12-TET closer to adaptive JI, so a more accurate ET is moot. Really, it is only in the realms of keyboard or synthesized classical music that the harmonic improvements can be appreciated enough to make it worth the trouble. But even then, many musicians who have undergone extensive ear training will actually find the "purer" intervals of 19, 22, and 31 to sound out-of-tune. It is not uncommon for listeners to find (near-)beatless harmonies to sound "cold" and "static", and these listeners won't appreciate the sounds of the more accurate ETs.
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| Thus, if your goal is to write music that the majority of listeners find pleasing, you simply cannot do better than 12-TET. The best you can hope of microtonal music is that it sounds *no worse* to the majority of listeners. Only those who don't give a damn about what most people think of their music might expect to find anything worthwhile in microtonality.
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| | [[Why microtonality|Why microtonality]], [[whynotnotmicrotonality|Whynotnotmicrotonality]] |
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| ==In conclusion==
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| I don't expect to deter any enthusiasts or change the minds of current community members. But the negative aspects of microtonality are real, and need to be acknowledged. People entering the field need to be aware of them, and need to think good and hard about whether the rabbit-hole is actually appealing enough to justify the sacrifices that will be made.
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| =Critical reaction to the foregoing by Carl Lumma=
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| //"Tuning doesn't make as much difference as you'd think"//
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| ...If you start with unreasonable expectations. Such as the expectation that refining one's control of intonation will "automatically" reveal "new compositional approaches" or allow one to "lead a revolution".
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| This would follow from evidence that people can't distinguish ETs, not from the evidence claimed, which is that people can't **identify** ETs. Many music fans can't identify scales or functional progressions in 12-ET, either. Is this an argument that all music could be I-V-I in 12-ET and it would make no difference?
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| It's generally acknowledged that anyone hoping to achieve commercial success with music in today's climate is facing an uphill battle, and that this goes double for anyone walking off the beaten path.
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| //"...the fact of the matter is the microtonal community is desperate for music, and will laud output of any quality."//
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| True, but I think it has more to do with maintaining congeniality in a community of people with very different musical backgrounds than with desperately encouraging composers to use microtonal tunings.
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| Also probably true but it is not **so much better** than alternatives as to warrant **exclusive use**.
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| [[Why micotonality]], [[Whynotnotmicrotonality]], [[Damnrightmicrotonality]]
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| **<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Why not?</span>**
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Sorry, but it was a very poor argument.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I'm answering this not to defend the microtonal/xenharmonic music, but to show that his "argument" is wrong and is really childish, and to some extent to show that his “argument” is more an opinion than an argument itself. Nobody needs to defend the microtonal/xenharmonic music in an opinion matter, but if you will defend the microtonal/xenharmonic music, you need to think about philosophical and psycological questions, and not about scientific and mathematical questions. The scientific and mathematical question has to come after, not before.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">At the start of the text he shows an argument from authority, I don’t know if that was his intention, but doesn’t matter, even if that first part had been written by Harry Partch, Ivor Darreg, Lou Harrison (or any other composer), still an argument from authority and a terrible way to start an argument, because anybody who is beginning with xenharmonic music will don't give a damn about who wrote that text and what is his experience, this person will only want to know what is his argument and nothing more, probably after reading the text, and see if it makes sense or not, that the person will want to know who wrote it.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“**//1. Tuning doesn’t make as much difference as you’d think//**”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> On the first paragraph as you can see he is not trying to do an argument again, he just wrote something personal. I don’t know any of his “fellow musicians”, but I think they are probably 12TET fellow musicians, guys who were molded by the “western” music and tuning. Any of you know that the majority of this people hate the sound of “western” microtonality, they normally accept the microtonality of India, Arab, Persian, and music of others Country, but they always think the “western” microtonality, even a quarter-tone is almost a sacrilege (to them, you can do a quarter-tone music but never in a chromatic way, because it’s “wrong”).</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//Those who could hear a difference generally found it to be a negative difference.// //Most of the people who responded favorably at all were those who lacked in musical training and couldn't really hear the difference at all.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> What difference he was trying to say? A 12tet to all other microtonality? Or a microtonality to other microtonality? It was a vague statement, and he forgot the people in general (musicians too) sometimes don’t hear a difference of the 12tet scales. But anyway, if those “fellow musicians” didn’t like because of the tuning, it’s not your fault, almost nobody like new things, especially things that wants to change the entire world of music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I can rewrite this phrase about Schoenberg’s music in the beginning of 20 Century, but the difference was that even people who couldn’t hear a difference in Schoenberg’s music didn’t like either. And don’t forget that Schoenberg’s music was written in 12tet.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> “//Even within the community of microtonalists, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tuning by ear, even after years of exposure.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Agree, but this fault is more about the lack of ear training than a problem with tunings itself.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">(I can say for myself that microtonality is helping me a lot, especially with 12tet ear training, and my main instrument isn’t a melodic one (I’m drummer), but now I can hear a really difference on microtones and I started studying the microtonality music about 3 to 4 months).</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">And other thing, the argument is flawed, because we can say: “**Even within the community of musicians, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tone by ear, even after years of exposure.**” So if you wanna gain absolute pitch on 12tet, you have to do some specific ear training, and the same for “absolute tuning”, or “absolute EDO”, or “absolute microtones”.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> “//but it seems that only those with absolute pitch can learn, even with extensive training and exposure, to even occasionally distinguish which of the low ETs a piece of music is in.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">This is unscientific. You need to prove it, to be trusted for those who want to beginning with microtonal/xenharmonic music, or else they will think that you are lying and you just want blind followers in 12tet music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//If anyone tells you that ETs all have distinct moods and personalities that are totally unlike anything found in 12-TET, this person has drank the kool-aid and is completely out of touch with the experience of all non-specialist listeners.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I think (this is my personal point of view) the moods and personalities are build not to an ET to another ET (of course you can compare them, because there are differences), but within the chosen ET, for example: in 12tet you can play a music in major and minor, or pentatonic, or modal, or dodecaphonic, or serialist, or atonal, or any combination as you can find within 12 tones. The same with all others ET’s and non-ET’s. And for me if I listen a music in 5edo or 7edo is big difference on the mood and personality to a music in 12tet (really big difference), for now, I can’t distinguish an 11edo and 13edo to a 12tet. Everybody will probably agree that there are differences in moods and personalities on the Indian music in relation to a 12tet. So again, the argument is invalid.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“**//2. Changing tunings will not change who you are//**”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">On this part he was trying to say that if you were shaped by something, you can't change that anymore, so why try to change? I can replace the 12-TET for anything and this “argument” will work.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//You can take the composer out of 12-TET, but you can't really take the 12-TET out of the composer.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Almost all the western music that we hear is in 4/4 time signature, so I can say:</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“**You can take the composer out of 4/4 time signature, but you can't really take the 4/4 time signature out of the composer.**”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Almost all the western and non-western music has a tonal center, so:</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> “**You can take the composer out of the tonal center, but you can't really take the tonal center out of the composer.**”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">My point is: yes, you can change who you are, sometimes will be hard and difficult, but if you think is worth try, why not try? For example: I’m a drummer with a not so good ear that never had heard overtone singing about one year and a half, and in that time I really try to hear more than one tone, because I knew they were singing more than one tone, but nothing, so I start to practice all day of the week about 7 months ago, and now I can sing overtones and I can hear overtones in any acoustic instrument. So I was shaped by the almost all music for not listening overtones, and change that, I change my perception of music and sound in general.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I’m an atonal and experimentalist composer, so I want to be a microtonal atonal and experimentalist composer.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//"Microtonality" is not a genre of music, but unfortunately it gets treated like one.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">This happens for obvious reasons. (I think I don’t need to explain why).</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Don’t forget that normally who treat microtonality like a genre of music are those who not compose with microtones or any other tunings beyond the 12tet.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">We can say that microtonality is like a genre of “compositional technical approach”, something like this, “you’re” adding more colors and more possibilities to “your” music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//Flame-wars are woefully common, and don't think you can avoid them by being reasonable. It is often the most intelligent and rational people who get dragged into them. I've seen myself and many of my colleagues reduced to spiteful vitriolic tantrums thanks to what in another community would have been a perfectly civil debate.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">This happens in any place, especially in the internet. This is not a “microtonality” fault.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//perfectly civil debate//”? Oh please. I hope there is a community like this, I never saw, but doesn’t mean that there is not.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//The microtonal community can really bring out the worst in people.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Interesting point of view. But he needs to show this “worst in people” for others agree with him.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//But perhaps the worst aspect of the community is the way it can come to eclipse your relationship to the community of "regular" musicians.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> He can say this for himself.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//The endless rabbit-holes of theory, the constant debates, the endless stream of new information to keep up with--the more energy you put into the microtonal community, the more it sucks you in.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I don’t see any problem with this. This is normal with any other issue.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//My experience has been that the longer I stay in the community and the deeper I delve into it, the less I'm able to just "play music" with regular musicians. Microtonality can become a wall between you and the rest of the musical world. And that is a terrible loss.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> He let this happen, so again, this is not a microtonality fault! This was his fault.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I didn’t stop to play with regular 12tet musicians, even with musicians that play just tonal music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//The bar is set pretty low, qualitatively speaking, for microtonal music. Not that there aren't great composers and performers! There certainly are, but the fact of the matter is the microtonal community is desperate for music, and will laud output of any quality.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//Microtonal music//”? Interesting... But he said...</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I always thought about the music itself and not about the quality, because I know that a lot of us are not musical producers, and the music is recorded in our own home, usually without good microphones and rooms suitable for recordings. A lot of the xenharmonic music that I have listened so far it was amateur but good quality.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//The worst music I've ever written is my microtonal music, yet it is also the most acclaimed. This has led, over the years, to a laziness on my part,// [...]”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Maybe he is right about his worst music was the microtonal music; I don’t have knowledge about that, because I never listen his non-microtonal music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">People like his music and he became lazier? This happens a lot with any musician and composer, and the blame is on the musician and composer and not of the music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//The community rewards all musical output equally, it really does, and NO ONE will tell you that you suck. It just doesn't happen. As brutal as the debates can be, no one in the community is willing to be brutally HONEST about the quality of your music.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I’m one of the guys who always “like” all music that I listen on facebook group. First, because I really like the music that I listened; second, I know that a lot of people who are in xenharmonic music have a different background and a different taste of music, so I’m not expecting anything in particular, and this allows me to be more open minded; third, anybody was asking to be a critic about their music, anybody can say that don’t like some music, anybody can say that don’t like the way the composer treat the harmony or the melody, but why, if the reason of the group is to share knowledge and music, and anybody can say about the quality of the music (and this happened), or someone can be the defender of the 31edo and starting a battle against all non 31edo music (like the defenders of the 12tet). I think xenharmonic group on facebook has to work more like an informal group.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//Most of MY music sucked, compared to what I wrote in 12-TET, and people loved it. And I became a worse composer because of it.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//You may find that most of the instruments you already own are suddenly completely useless to you as a microtonalist. Get ready to $pend $pend $pend!//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“You” don’t need to find that most of the instruments are useless to “you” as a microtonalist, unless “you” don’t have any creativity to use the instrument in other ways possible.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I agree with him that “you” will spend a lot depending on the instrument “you” play and what do “you” wanna play with that instrument.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“**//6. 12-TET is actually and objectively the best ET (for many musical circumstances)//**”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I can say the same about Just Intonation:</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Just Intonation is actually and objectively the best tuning (for many musical circumstances).</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">His goal was to have a music that has beatless harmony, so why he didn’t just bought a fretless guitar for play Just Intonation?</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I can’t say too much about this part, because I’m too new on the xenharmonic/microtonal music, so I don’t have an argument, I know that he is right about the almost accuracy of the 12tet, but he has to remember that people who grew up listen 12tet will find the pure intervals in 19, 22 and 31 out-of-tune. Months ago I listened to Just Intonation music about three weeks straight, and on these three weeks and some weeks after that every time that I heard some 12tet music, the 12tet sounded to me terrible out-of-tune.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//Thus, if your goal is to write music that the majority of listeners find pleasing, you simply cannot do better than 12-TET.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">If your goal is to write music that the majority of listeners find pleasing, you simply cannot do better than Pop-industry bands. Or you can be a trained monkey that plays always the same kind melody and harmony.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“//Only those who don't give a damn about what most people think of their music might expect to find anything worthwhile in microtonality.//”</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I’m one of those kinds of composer who don’t give a damn about what people think, because if I think about this, I stop to compose. It’s nice when people understand my music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Xenakis didn’t stop to compose his authentic and original music when everybody else was composing Serialist/Dodecaphonic music. Stockhausen is hated for the majority of “regular” musicians just because he composed the Helicopter String Quartet. There are a lot of others examples throughout 20 Century music.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">All his “argument” is based on the fact that we live in a world that most of the music is play in just one tuning, the 12tet.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">His point of view is just a conformist thinking, nothing more than that.</span>
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> (If there are mistakes with the text or with the argument, please let me know, I will appreciate)</span>
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| These are the confessions of an ex-microtonalist, someone who spent years in the field, recorded and released several critically-acclaimed albums (which are no longer available, except perhaps in hidden recesses of <u>[[#|the internet]]</u>), absorbed as much of the theory as he possibly could, and ultimately decided it was all for naught. As his final contribution to the community, he gave the following reasons for why he ultimately found microtonality not to be worthwhile, in the hopes that it might provide a much-needed counterpoint to the community's unbridled enthusiasm, and that it might counter some of extravagant and unsubstantiated claims about the benefits of going microtonal.<br />
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| When I first got into microtonality, I thought I was going to lead a revolution. I thought I had discovered something that threw a monkey-wrench into all of Western music theory, something that would open up stark new possibilities and lead to the re-invention of music as we know it. But then I tried to share my discovery with my fellow musicians, and was shocked to discover that none agreed with me. And they agreed even less when they actually heard the music that resulted from these new tunings. Those who could hear a difference generally found it to be a negative difference. Most of the people who responded favorably at all were those who lacked in musical training and couldn't really hear the difference at all.<br />
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| Even within the community of microtonalists, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tuning by ear, even after years of exposure, or even distinguish between tunings after having the field narrowed down. This has been roundly acknowledged. With a bit of ear-training, pretty much any musician can learn to identify the basic chord-types of 12-TET, but it seems that only those with absolute pitch can learn, even with extensive training and exposure, to even occasionally distinguish which of the low ETs a piece of music is in. In other words, the difference between different chords in 12-TET is of vastly more auditory significance than the difference between different ETs. If anyone tells you that ETs all have distinct moods and personalities that are totally unlike anything found in 12-TET, this person has drank the kool-aid and is completely out of touch with the experience of all non-specialist listeners. The reality is that the intonational differences are exceedingly subtle, even when they (numerically) appear large, unless you are one of the lucky few to have exceedingly sensitive ears--i.e., if you're the sort to whom 12-TET always sounds out-of-tune. Even then, odds are you will only be able to tell when a sonority is close to JI or not--don't expect to differentiate 14-ET from 15-ET, nor 19-ET from 22-ET.<br />
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| We have all grown up being exposed to music, and that exposure has shaped our relationship to music, our perception of music, and our compositional approaches. Changing tunings does not suddenly do away with the years of experience that have shaped you. You will not automatically find new compositional approaches in a new tuning; rather, you will most likely find ways to shoe-horn your favorite gestures and tricks into the new tuning's vocabulary, much like African-American musicians did when they were lost access to their traditional instruments and had to make due with Western instruments. You can take the composer out of 12-TET, but you can't really take the 12-TET out of the composer. Microtonalists will dispute this, but that is because they are not able to hear their music the way outsiders hear it anymore. Becoming hyper-aware of intonational nuances doesn't mean you've magically created a new musical language that is obvious to everyone else. It more likely means you've just lost your awareness of the influences that have shaped you.<br />
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| &quot;Microtonality&quot; is not a genre of music, but unfortunately it gets treated like one. The community of microtonalists on the internet is an extremely disparate mix of people from all musical and cultural backgrounds, and the only common thread between them is an interest in alternate tunings. This might sound great, but it has some really awful sides to it, as not everyone is willing to be tolerant of other people's ideas and prejudices. Many personalities within the community are larger-than-life--how could they not be, when microtonality is usually the province of the &quot;rugged individualist&quot;? Flame-wars are woefully common, and don't think you can avoid them by being reasonable. It is often the most intelligent and rational people who get dragged into them. I've seen myself and many of my colleagues reduced to spiteful vitriolic tantrums thanks to what in another community would have been a perfectly civil debate. People get placed on moderation and outright banned with disturbing frequency. The number of people who have been banned from microtonal forums, or fled them due to harassment, is easily large enough to form a community all on their own. I have never seen this kind of behavior in other esoteric niche communities. The microtonal community can really bring out the worst in people.<br />
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| The bar is set pretty low, qualitatively speaking, for microtonal music. Not that there aren't great composers and performers! There certainly are, but the fact of the matter is the microtonal community is desperate for music, and will laud output of any quality. The worst music I've ever written is my microtonal music, yet it is also the most acclaimed. This has led, over the years, to a laziness on my part, and it makes perfect sense: when you can fart out a little track in 20 minutes, put it on SoundCloud, and get 20 people on facebook telling you how awesome it is, it's hard to be motivated to really put your heart and soul into something. The community rewards all musical output equally, it really does, and NO ONE will tell you that you suck. It just doesn't happen. As brutal as the debates can be, no one in the community is willing to be brutally HONEST about the quality of your music. But the reality is, most of it sucks. Most of MY music sucked, compared to what I wrote in 12-TET, and people loved it. And I became a worse composer because of it.<br />
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| You hear a lot of enthusiastic jibber-jabber about how microtonality can &quot;liberate&quot; you from the tyranny of 12-TET. Well, part of that liberation is being &quot;liberated&quot; from access to a wide variety of instruments and other musical equipment. Once you go micro, you are consigning yourself to using only custom-made or retunable instruments, which represent only a small fraction of what's available at your average music store. You may find that most of the instruments you already own are suddenly completely useless to you as a microtonalist. Get ready to $pend $pend $pend! Or, do what most do, and resign yourself to using cheesy-sounding freely-available synths. The majority of microtonal music out there is made with sub-standard production values, just because that's what's available.<br />
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| I don't expect to deter any enthusiasts or change the minds of current community members. But the negative aspects of microtonality are real, and need to be acknowledged. People entering the field need to be aware of them, and need to think good and hard about whether the rabbit-hole is actually appealing enough to justify the sacrifices that will be made.<br />
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| <em>&quot;Tuning doesn't make as much difference as you'd think&quot;</em><br />
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| ...If you start with unreasonable expectations. Such as the expectation that refining one's control of intonation will &quot;automatically&quot; reveal &quot;new compositional approaches&quot; or allow one to &quot;lead a revolution&quot;.<br />
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| <em>&quot;If anyone tells you that ETs all have distinct moods and personalities that are totally unlike anything found in 12-TET, this person has drank the kool-aid...&quot;</em><br />
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| This would follow from evidence that people can't distinguish ETs, not from the evidence claimed, which is that people can't <strong>identify</strong> ETs. Many music fans can't identify scales or functional progressions in 12-ET, either. Is this an argument that all music could be I-V-I in 12-ET and it would make no difference?<br />
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| <em>&quot;The best microtonal musicians--the ones with the most commercial success--are those who keep a very healthy distance between themselves and the community.&quot;</em><br />
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| Music isn't for talking. Plenty of musicians visit microtonal forums to share recordings -- what else? Theory works with talking, but theory isn't music and there's only so much of two subjects a person can master. But several artists have extensively applied regular mapping theory, including Igliashon Jones, Kraig Grady, and Marcus Hobbs. And serious theorists like Graham Breed have produced very listenable tracks.<br />
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| It's generally acknowledged that anyone hoping to achieve commercial success with music in today's climate is facing an uphill battle, and that this goes double for anyone walking off the beaten path.<br />
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| <em>&quot;...the fact of the matter is the microtonal community is desperate for music, and will laud output of any quality.&quot;</em><br />
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| True, but I think it has more to do with maintaining congeniality in a community of people with very different musical backgrounds than with desperately encouraging composers to use microtonal tunings.<br />
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| <em>&quot;12-TET is actually and objectively the best ET&quot;</em><br />
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| Also probably true but it is not <strong>so much better</strong> than alternatives as to warrant <strong>exclusive use</strong>.<br />
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| <a class="wiki_link" href="/Why%20micotonality">Why micotonality</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Whynotnotmicrotonality">Whynotnotmicrotonality</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Damnrightmicrotonality">Damnrightmicrotonality</a><br />
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| <strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Why not?</span></strong><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Sorry, but it was a very poor argument.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I'm answering this not to defend the microtonal/xenharmonic music, but to show that his &quot;argument&quot; is wrong and is really childish, and to some extent to show that his “argument” is more an opinion than an argument itself. Nobody needs to defend the microtonal/xenharmonic music in an opinion matter, but if you will defend the microtonal/xenharmonic music, you need to think about philosophical and psycological questions, and not about scientific and mathematical questions. The scientific and mathematical question has to come after, not before.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">At the start of the text he shows an argument from authority, I don’t know if that was his intention, but doesn’t matter, even if that first part had been written by Harry Partch, Ivor Darreg, Lou Harrison (or any other composer), still an argument from authority and a terrible way to start an argument, because anybody who is beginning with xenharmonic music will don't give a damn about who wrote that text and what is his experience, this person will only want to know what is his argument and nothing more, probably after reading the text, and see if it makes sense or not, that the person will want to know who wrote it.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong><em>1. Tuning doesn’t make as much difference as you’d think</em></strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> On the first paragraph as you can see he is not trying to do an argument again, he just wrote something personal. I don’t know any of his “fellow musicians”, but I think they are probably 12TET fellow musicians, guys who were molded by the “western” music and tuning. Any of you know that the majority of this people hate the sound of “western” microtonality, they normally accept the microtonality of India, Arab, Persian, and music of others Country, but they always think the “western” microtonality, even a quarter-tone is almost a sacrilege (to them, you can do a quarter-tone music but never in a chromatic way, because it’s “wrong”).</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>Those who could hear a difference generally found it to be a negative difference.</em> <em>Most of the people who responded favorably at all were those who lacked in musical training and couldn't really hear the difference at all.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> What difference he was trying to say? A 12tet to all other microtonality? Or a microtonality to other microtonality? It was a vague statement, and he forgot the people in general (musicians too) sometimes don’t hear a difference of the 12tet scales. But anyway, if those “fellow musicians” didn’t like because of the tuning, it’s not your fault, almost nobody like new things, especially things that wants to change the entire world of music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I can rewrite this phrase about Schoenberg’s music in the beginning of 20 Century, but the difference was that even people who couldn’t hear a difference in Schoenberg’s music didn’t like either. And don’t forget that Schoenberg’s music was written in 12tet.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> “<em>Even within the community of microtonalists, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tuning by ear, even after years of exposure.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Agree, but this fault is more about the lack of ear training than a problem with tunings itself.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">(I can say for myself that microtonality is helping me a lot, especially with 12tet ear training, and my main instrument isn’t a melodic one (I’m drummer), but now I can hear a really difference on microtones and I started studying the microtonality music about 3 to 4 months).</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">And other thing, the argument is flawed, because we can say: “<strong>Even within the community of musicians, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tone by ear, even after years of exposure.</strong>” So if you wanna gain absolute pitch on 12tet, you have to do some specific ear training, and the same for “absolute tuning”, or “absolute EDO”, or “absolute microtones”.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> “<em>but it seems that only those with absolute pitch can learn, even with extensive training and exposure, to even occasionally distinguish which of the low ETs a piece of music is in.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">This is unscientific. You need to prove it, to be trusted for those who want to beginning with microtonal/xenharmonic music, or else they will think that you are lying and you just want blind followers in 12tet music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>If anyone tells you that ETs all have distinct moods and personalities that are totally unlike anything found in 12-TET, this person has drank the kool-aid and is completely out of touch with the experience of all non-specialist listeners.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I think (this is my personal point of view) the moods and personalities are build not to an ET to another ET (of course you can compare them, because there are differences), but within the chosen ET, for example: in 12tet you can play a music in major and minor, or pentatonic, or modal, or dodecaphonic, or serialist, or atonal, or any combination as you can find within 12 tones. The same with all others ET’s and non-ET’s. And for me if I listen a music in 5edo or 7edo is big difference on the mood and personality to a music in 12tet (really big difference), for now, I can’t distinguish an 11edo and 13edo to a 12tet. Everybody will probably agree that there are differences in moods and personalities on the Indian music in relation to a 12tet. So again, the argument is invalid.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong><em>2. Changing tunings will not change who you are</em></strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">On this part he was trying to say that if you were shaped by something, you can't change that anymore, so why try to change? I can replace the 12-TET for anything and this “argument” will work.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>You can take the composer out of 12-TET, but you can't really take the 12-TET out of the composer.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Almost all the western music that we hear is in 4/4 time signature, so I can say:</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong>You can take the composer out of 4/4 time signature, but you can't really take the 4/4 time signature out of the composer.</strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Almost all the western and non-western music has a tonal center, so:</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> “<strong>You can take the composer out of the tonal center, but you can't really take the tonal center out of the composer.</strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">My point is: yes, you can change who you are, sometimes will be hard and difficult, but if you think is worth try, why not try? For example: I’m a drummer with a not so good ear that never had heard overtone singing about one year and a half, and in that time I really try to hear more than one tone, because I knew they were singing more than one tone, but nothing, so I start to practice all day of the week about 7 months ago, and now I can sing overtones and I can hear overtones in any acoustic instrument. So I was shaped by the almost all music for not listening overtones, and change that, I change my perception of music and sound in general.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Other thing, you don’t need to find a different approach to compose with different tunings, you have to remember that the way you compose is probably your characteristic, your personality, and of course any tuning will change that if you don’t want to change.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I’m an atonal and experimentalist composer, so I want to be a microtonal atonal and experimentalist composer.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong><em>3. The &quot;community&quot;</em></strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>&quot;Microtonality&quot; is not a genre of music, but unfortunately it gets treated like one.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">This happens for obvious reasons. (I think I don’t need to explain why).</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Don’t forget that normally who treat microtonality like a genre of music are those who not compose with microtones or any other tunings beyond the 12tet.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">We can say that microtonality is like a genre of “compositional technical approach”, something like this, “you’re” adding more colors and more possibilities to “your” music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>Flame-wars are woefully common, and don't think you can avoid them by being reasonable. It is often the most intelligent and rational people who get dragged into them. I've seen myself and many of my colleagues reduced to spiteful vitriolic tantrums thanks to what in another community would have been a perfectly civil debate.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">This happens in any place, especially in the internet. This is not a “microtonality” fault.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>perfectly civil debate</em>”? Oh please. I hope there is a community like this, I never saw, but doesn’t mean that there is not.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>The microtonal community can really bring out the worst in people.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Interesting point of view. But he needs to show this “worst in people” for others agree with him.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>But perhaps the worst aspect of the community is the way it can come to eclipse your relationship to the community of &quot;regular&quot; musicians.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> He can say this for himself.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>The endless rabbit-holes of theory, the constant debates, the endless stream of new information to keep up with--the more energy you put into the microtonal community, the more it sucks you in.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I don’t see any problem with this. This is normal with any other issue.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>My experience has been that the longer I stay in the community and the deeper I delve into it, the less I'm able to just &quot;play music&quot; with regular musicians. Microtonality can become a wall between you and the rest of the musical world. And that is a terrible loss.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> He let this happen, so again, this is not a microtonality fault! This was his fault.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I didn’t stop to play with regular 12tet musicians, even with musicians that play just tonal music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong><em>4. The music</em></strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>The bar is set pretty low, qualitatively speaking, for microtonal music. Not that there aren't great composers and performers! There certainly are, but the fact of the matter is the microtonal community is desperate for music, and will laud output of any quality.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>Microtonal music</em>”? Interesting... But he said...</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I always thought about the music itself and not about the quality, because I know that a lot of us are not musical producers, and the music is recorded in our own home, usually without good microphones and rooms suitable for recordings. A lot of the xenharmonic music that I have listened so far it was amateur but good quality.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>The worst music I've ever written is my microtonal music, yet it is also the most acclaimed. This has led, over the years, to a laziness on my part,</em> [...]”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Maybe he is right about his worst music was the microtonal music; I don’t have knowledge about that, because I never listen his non-microtonal music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">People like his music and he became lazier? This happens a lot with any musician and composer, and the blame is on the musician and composer and not of the music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>The community rewards all musical output equally, it really does, and NO ONE will tell you that you suck. It just doesn't happen. As brutal as the debates can be, no one in the community is willing to be brutally HONEST about the quality of your music.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I’m one of the guys who always “like” all music that I listen on facebook group. First, because I really like the music that I listened; second, I know that a lot of people who are in xenharmonic music have a different background and a different taste of music, so I’m not expecting anything in particular, and this allows me to be more open minded; third, anybody was asking to be a critic about their music, anybody can say that don’t like some music, anybody can say that don’t like the way the composer treat the harmony or the melody, but why, if the reason of the group is to share knowledge and music, and anybody can say about the quality of the music (and this happened), or someone can be the defender of the 31edo and starting a battle against all non 31edo music (like the defenders of the 12tet). I think xenharmonic group on facebook has to work more like an informal group.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>Most of MY music sucked, compared to what I wrote in 12-TET, and people loved it. And I became a worse composer because of it.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">It’s easy to blame others. He became a worst composer because he didn't control himself. I didn’t listen his 12tet music, but I listen his last microtonal album, and I personally loved, almost of the music was not my kind of music, some of the music was too simplistic, but anyway, I liked...</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong><em>5. The costs and limitations</em></strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>You hear a lot of enthusiastic jibber-jabber about how microtonality can &quot;liberate&quot; you from the tyranny of 12-TET. Well, part of that liberation is being &quot;liberated&quot; from access to a wide variety of instruments and other musical equipment. Once you go micro, you are consigning yourself to using only custom-made or retunable instruments, which represent only a small fraction of what's available at your average music store.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Microtonality can liberate “you” on the way “you” listen or think about music. And yeah, there is a tyranny of 12tet. There is no problem with variety of instruments, especially invented, custom-made and retunable instruments. I think the musician will be more creative if he starts to build his own instruments, the problem (problem in some ways) is that “you” will need to spend a lot of “your” time on this, time that “you” can spend with playing music for example.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>You may find that most of the instruments you already own are suddenly completely useless to you as a microtonalist. Get ready to $pend $pend $pend!</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“You” don’t need to find that most of the instruments are useless to “you” as a microtonalist, unless “you” don’t have any creativity to use the instrument in other ways possible.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I agree with him that “you” will spend a lot depending on the instrument “you” play and what do “you” wanna play with that instrument.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<strong><em>6. 12-TET is actually and objectively the best ET (for many musical circumstances)</em></strong>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I can say the same about Just Intonation:</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">Just Intonation is actually and objectively the best tuning (for many musical circumstances).</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">His goal was to have a music that has beatless harmony, so why he didn’t just bought a fretless guitar for play Just Intonation?</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I can’t say too much about this part, because I’m too new on the xenharmonic/microtonal music, so I don’t have an argument, I know that he is right about the almost accuracy of the 12tet, but he has to remember that people who grew up listen 12tet will find the pure intervals in 19, 22 and 31 out-of-tune. Months ago I listened to Just Intonation music about three weeks straight, and on these three weeks and some weeks after that every time that I heard some 12tet music, the 12tet sounded to me terrible out-of-tune.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>Thus, if your goal is to write music that the majority of listeners find pleasing, you simply cannot do better than 12-TET.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">If your goal is to write music that the majority of listeners find pleasing, you simply cannot do better than Pop-industry bands. Or you can be a trained monkey that plays always the same kind melody and harmony.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">“<em>Only those who don't give a damn about what most people think of their music might expect to find anything worthwhile in microtonality.</em>”</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">I’m one of those kinds of composer who don’t give a damn about what people think, because if I think about this, I stop to compose. It’s nice when people understand my music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Xenakis didn’t stop to compose his authentic and original music when everybody else was composing Serialist/Dodecaphonic music. Stockhausen is hated for the majority of “regular” musicians just because he composed the Helicopter String Quartet. There are a lot of others examples throughout 20 Century music.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">All his “argument” is based on the fact that we live in a world that most of the music is play in just one tuning, the 12tet.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">His point of view is just a conformist thinking, nothing more than that.</span><br />
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| <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> (If there are mistakes with the text or with the argument, please let me know, I will appreciate)</span><br />
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