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| Some questions to consider as input to thinking about microtonal pedagogy. Follow the links to specific topics. | | Some questions to consider as input to thinking about microtonal pedagogy. Contributions from people with experience are welcome. |
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| [[microtonal pedagogy considerations|What considerations does the particular question of a microtonal pedagogy warrant?]]
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| [[music that teaches itself|What does one consider when endeavoring to write pieces of microtonal music that also teach the microtones that they use?]] | | === When is learning a microtonal system of pitches harder than learning the 12-equal system? When is it easier? === |
| | ==== [[Graham Breed|x31eq]]'s answer ==== |
| | This is a first draft. If you think I'm wrong, edit the page to say why. |
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| [[when are microtones easy|When is learning a microtonal system of pitches harder than learning the 12-equal system? When is it easier?]]
| | Learning a microtonal system is harder than [[12-equal]] where it's more [[Complexity|complex]] and the harmonic context is not intuitively apparent. Which is most of the time (and sometimes so by definiton). |
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| **//Answered in [[PedagogyTradeoffs]]//**
| | However, systems that are microtonal relative to 12-equal may be easier to learn in several ways: |
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| [[learning conflicting pitch systems|When does experience in 12 help in learning non-12? When does it hinder?]] | | * The have fewer notes. For example, [[slendro]], [[pelog]], various other [[diatonic]]s. |
| | * They are closer to natural harmonies: [[just intonation]], [[microtemperament]], and [[Timbral tuning|equivalents]] in alternative timbres. |
| | * They resonate more with the subject's [[Approaches to musical tuning|culture]] than the western chromatic; depends on context, and becoming less likely. |
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| **//Answered in [[ExperienceHelpingMicrotonality]]//**
| | === When does experience in 12 help in learning non-12? When does it hinder? === |
| | ==== x31eq's answer ==== |
| | Microtonality shouldn't be thought of as a practice distinct from music making. Experience of learning music will naturally translate into learning music in other tunings. In many cases experience of traditional music may not really be in 12-equal at all. However, the question's framed in terms of a dichotomy, so let's answer it that way. |
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| [[learning conflicting pitch systems|When does experience in non-12 help in learning 12? When does it hinder?]]
| | Mostly it depends on the nature of the experience, and how non-12 is being learned. Making this a useful topic for microtonal pedagogy of course. |
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| [[missing language|To what degree can the need for a microtonal pedagogy address a general problem of missing language in speaking microtonality?]] | | If the musician has experience of tonal music with correct spelling, a transition to extended [[Meantone|Meantone]] is natural. Early pieces should enforce the [[5-limit]] diatonic framework and move gradually to more [[7-limit|remote]] notes and harmonies. A theoretical knowledge of harmony also helps because many of those rules were laid down in a meantone context. |
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| [[sequestering learning|In whose interest is it to sequester off learning/education/pedagogy into a separate page, as if learning only happens in schools/when you want it to?]] | | If the musician thinks in terms of [[enharmonic]] equivalences, a procedure of dividing the equal tempered semitone is most productive. This leads first to quartertones ([[24edo|24edo]]), but also to [[72edo|72edo]], where they can learn [[11-limit]] harmonies. |
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| [[method books teaching tools|What method books and teaching tools do you recommend for the microtonal student?]]</pre></div> | | Musicians with a [[Pythagorean]] mindset (most likely string players) may take to [[schismatic]] temperament (see [[Regular_Temperaments|Regular Temperaments]]) or divisions of the semitone (above). They will have much more trouble with extended meantone (also above). |
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| | Experience may hinder when it conflicts with the new system being learned. Paradoxically, the most accomplished musicians will have the most difficulty because their habits are the most ingrained. |
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| | === What method books and teaching tools do you recommend for the microtonal student? === |
| Some questions to consider as input to thinking about microtonal pedagogy. Follow the links to specific topics.<br />
| | The ones listed on the following page: [[Method books teaching tools]]. |
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| <a class="wiki_link" href="/microtonal%20pedagogy%20considerations">What considerations does the particular question of a microtonal pedagogy warrant?</a><br />
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| | === What considerations does the particular question of a microtonal pedagogy warrant? === |
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| | === What does one consider when endeavouring to write pieces of microtonal music that also teach the microtones that they use? === |
| <strong><em>Answered in <a class="wiki_link" href="/PedagogyTradeoffs">PedagogyTradeoffs</a></em></strong><br />
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| | === To what degree can the need for a microtonal pedagogy address a general problem of missing language in speaking microtonality? === |
| <a class="wiki_link" href="/learning%20conflicting%20pitch%20systems">When does experience in 12 help in learning non-12? When does it hinder?</a><br />
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| | === In whose interest is it to sequester off learning/education/pedagogy into a separate page, as if learning only happens in schools/when you want it to? === |
| <strong><em>Answered in <a class="wiki_link" href="/ExperienceHelpingMicrotonality">ExperienceHelpingMicrotonality</a></em></strong><br />
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