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The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal [[diesis]] or porcupine comma. Its [[monzo]] is |1 -5 3&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;3 5 1|| for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the [[generator]] is a minor whole tone, the 10/9 interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)^3 = 4/3 * 250/243, and (10/9)^5 = 8/5 * (250/243)^2. 3/22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.
The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal [[diesis]] or porcupine comma. Its [[monzo]] is |1 -5 3&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;3 5 1|| for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the [[generator]] is a minor whole tone, the [[10_9|10/9]] interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)^3 = 4/3 * 250/243, and (10/9)^5 = 8/5 * (250/243)^2. 3/22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 163.950
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 163.950
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Map: [&lt;1 2 3|, &lt;0 -3 -5|]
Map: [&lt;1 2 3|, &lt;0 -3 -5|]


EDOs: 15, 22, 161, 183
EDOs: [[15edo|15]], [[22edo|22]], [[161edo|161]], [[183edo|183]]


==Seven limit children==  
==Seven limit children==  
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. That means 64/63, the Archytas comma, for porcupine, 36/35, the septimal quarter tone, for hystrix, 50/49, the jubilisma, for hedgehog, and 49/48, the slendro diesis, for nautilus.
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. That means [[64_63|64/63]], the [[Archyta's comma]], for [[porcupine]], [[36_35|36/35]], the [[septimal quarter tone]], for [[hystrix]], [[50_49|50/49]], the [[jubilisma]], for [[hedgehog]], and [[49_48|49/48]], the [[slendro diesis]], for [[nautilus]].


=Porcupine=  
=Porcupine=  
Porcupine, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 5 -6 1 -18 -28||, uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to 7/4. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as [[22edo]] provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.
Porcupine, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 5 -6 1 -18 -28||, uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to [[7_4|7/4]]. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as [[22edo]] provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.


Commas: 250/243, 64/63
Commas: 250/243, 64/63
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Map: [&lt;1 2 3 2|, &lt;0 -3 -5 6|]
Map: [&lt;1 2 3 2|, &lt;0 -3 -5 6|]
EDOs: 22, 59, 81, 140
EDOs: 22, [[59edo|59]], [[81edo|81]], [[140edo|140]]


==11-limit==  
==11-limit==  
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Map: [&lt;1 2 3 2 4|, &lt;0 -3 -5 6 -4|]
Map: [&lt;1 2 3 2 4|, &lt;0 -3 -5 6 -4|]
EDOs: 7, 15, 22, 37, 59
EDOs: [[7edo|7]], 15, 22, [[37edo|37]], 59
Badness: 0.0217
Badness: 0.0217


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Map: [&lt;2 1 1 2|, &lt;0 3 5 5|]
Map: [&lt;2 1 1 2|, &lt;0 3 5 5|]
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6 10 10 2 -1 -5||
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6 10 10 2 -1 -5||
EDOs: 22, 146
EDOs: 22, [[146edo|146]]


=Nautilus=
=Nautilus=
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Map: [&lt;1 2 3 3|, &lt;0 -6 -10 -3|]
Map: [&lt;1 2 3 3|, &lt;0 -6 -10 -3|]
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6 10 3 2 -12 -21||
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6 10 3 2 -12 -21||
EDOs: 14, 15, 29, 44, 73, 160
EDOs: [[14edo|14]], 15, [[29edo|29]], [[44edo|44]], [[73edo|73]], [[160edo|160]]


==11-limit==
==11-limit==
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The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/diesis"&gt;diesis&lt;/a&gt; or porcupine comma. Its &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo"&gt;monzo&lt;/a&gt; is |1 -5 3&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;3 5 1|| for the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie"&gt;wedgie&lt;/a&gt;. This tells us the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/generator"&gt;generator&lt;/a&gt; is a minor whole tone, the 10/9 interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)^3 = 4/3 * 250/243, and (10/9)^5 = 8/5 * (250/243)^2. 3/22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.&lt;br /&gt;
The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/diesis"&gt;diesis&lt;/a&gt; or porcupine comma. Its &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo"&gt;monzo&lt;/a&gt; is |1 -5 3&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;3 5 1|| for the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie"&gt;wedgie&lt;/a&gt;. This tells us the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/generator"&gt;generator&lt;/a&gt; is a minor whole tone, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/10_9"&gt;10/9&lt;/a&gt; interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)^3 = 4/3 * 250/243, and (10/9)^5 = 8/5 * (250/243)^2. 3/22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 163.950&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 163.950&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3|, &amp;lt;0 -3 -5|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3|, &amp;lt;0 -3 -5|]&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 15, 22, 161, 183&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/15edo"&gt;15&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/161edo"&gt;161&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/183edo"&gt;183&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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  The second comma of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal comma list&lt;/a&gt; defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. That means 64/63, the Archytas comma, for porcupine, 36/35, the septimal quarter tone, for hystrix, 50/49, the jubilisma, for hedgehog, and 49/48, the slendro diesis, for nautilus.&lt;br /&gt;
  The second comma of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal comma list&lt;/a&gt; defines which &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit"&gt;7-limit&lt;/a&gt; family member we are looking at. That means &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/64_63"&gt;64/63&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Archyta%27s%20comma"&gt;Archyta's comma&lt;/a&gt;, for &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/porcupine"&gt;porcupine&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/36_35"&gt;36/35&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/septimal%20quarter%20tone"&gt;septimal quarter tone&lt;/a&gt;, for &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/hystrix"&gt;hystrix&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/50_49"&gt;50/49&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/jubilisma"&gt;jubilisma&lt;/a&gt;, for &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/hedgehog"&gt;hedgehog&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/49_48"&gt;49/48&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/slendro%20diesis"&gt;slendro diesis&lt;/a&gt;, for &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/nautilus"&gt;nautilus&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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  Porcupine, with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;3 5 -6 1 -18 -28||, uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to 7/4. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt; provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.&lt;br /&gt;
  Porcupine, with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;3 5 -6 1 -18 -28||, uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7_4"&gt;7/4&lt;/a&gt;. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt; provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 250/243, 64/63&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 250/243, 64/63&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3 2|, &amp;lt;0 -3 -5 6|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3 2|, &amp;lt;0 -3 -5 6|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 22, 59, 81, 140&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 22, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/59edo"&gt;59&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/81edo"&gt;81&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo"&gt;140&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3 2 4|, &amp;lt;0 -3 -5 6 -4|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3 2 4|, &amp;lt;0 -3 -5 6 -4|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 7, 15, 22, 37, 59&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7&lt;/a&gt;, 15, 22, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/37edo"&gt;37&lt;/a&gt;, 59&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.0217&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.0217&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 1 1 2|, &amp;lt;0 3 5 5|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;2 1 1 2|, &amp;lt;0 3 5 5|]&lt;br /&gt;
Wedgie: &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 10 10 2 -1 -5||&lt;br /&gt;
Wedgie: &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 10 10 2 -1 -5||&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 22, 146&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 22, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/146edo"&gt;146&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3 3|, &amp;lt;0 -6 -10 -3|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 2 3 3|, &amp;lt;0 -6 -10 -3|]&lt;br /&gt;
Wedgie: &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 10 3 2 -12 -21||&lt;br /&gt;
Wedgie: &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 10 3 2 -12 -21||&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 14, 15, 29, 44, 73, 160&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo"&gt;14&lt;/a&gt;, 15, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/29edo"&gt;29&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/44edo"&gt;44&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/73edo"&gt;73&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/160edo"&gt;160&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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