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Multiple genchains occur because rank-2 really is 2 dimensional, with a "genweb" running in octaves (or whatever the period is) vertically and fifths (or whatever the generator is) horizontally. When the period is an octave, this octave-reduces to a single horizontal genchain. But shrutal has a genweb with vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth. | Multiple genchains occur because rank-2 really is 2 dimensional, with a "genweb" running in octaves (or whatever the period is) vertically and fifths (or whatever the generator is) horizontally. When the period is an octave, this octave-reduces to a single horizontal genchain. But shrutal has a genweb with vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth. | ||
In order to be a MOS scale, the genchains must of course be the right length, and without any gaps. But they must also line up exactly, so that each note has a neighbor immediately above and/or below. In other words, every column of the genweb must be complete. | In order to be a MOS scale, the parallel genchains must of course be the right length, and without any gaps. But they must also line up exactly, so that each note has a neighbor immediately above and/or below. In other words, every column of the genweb must be complete. | ||
If the period is a fraction of an octave, 3/2 is still preferred over all other generators, even though that makes the generator larger than the period. Shrutal's generator is 3/2, not 16/15. However, 16/15 would still create the same mode numbers and thus the same scale names. | If the period is a fraction of an octave, 3/2 is still preferred over all other generators, even though that makes the generator larger than the period. Shrutal's generator is 3/2, not 16/15. However, 16/15 would still create the same mode numbers and thus the same scale names. | ||
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|| 5th Shrutal[10] || Lssss-Lssss || C D Eb E F F# Ab A Bb B C || Ab Eb Bb F __**C**__ || D A E B F# || | || 5th Shrutal[10] || Lssss-Lssss || C D Eb E F F# Ab A Bb B C || Ab Eb Bb F __**C**__ || D A E B F# || | ||
There are only two Blackwood[10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is 5/4. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. There are five genchains. Ups and downs are used to distinguish between 5/4 and 2\5, | There are only two Blackwood[10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is 5/4 = 386¢. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. There are five short genchains. Ups and downs are used to distinguish between 5/4 and 2\5, in order to avoid duplicate note names. | ||
|| scale name || Ls pattern || example in C || 1st chain || 2nd chain || 3rd chain || 4th chain || 5th chain || | || scale name || Ls pattern || example in C || 1st chain || 2nd chain || 3rd chain || 4th chain || 5th chain || | ||
|| 1st Blackwood[10] || LsLsLs LsLs || C C#v D Ev F F#v G Av A Bv C ||= __**C**__ Ev || D F#v || F Av || G Bv || A C#v || | || 1st Blackwood[10] || LsLsLs LsLs || C C#v D Ev F F#v G Av A Bv C ||= __**C**__ Ev || D F#v || F Av || G Bv || A C#v || | ||
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==[[#How to name rank-2 scales-Non-MOS scales]]**__Non-MOS non-MODMOS scales__**== | ==[[#How to name rank-2 scales-Non-MOS scales]]**__Non-MOS non-MODMOS scales__**== | ||
Examples: | Compact the genchain to remove any gaps via chromatic alterations. The mode number is derived from the compacted genchain. Examples: | ||
C D E F F# G A B C, which has a genchain F __**C**__ G D A E B F#, and is named C 2nd Meantone[8]. | C D E F F# G A B C, which has a genchain F __**C**__ G D A E B F#, and is named C 2nd Meantone[8]. | ||
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||< Meantone [12] if generator > 700¢ || C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# ||= C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# || | ||< Meantone [12] if generator > 700¢ || C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# ||= C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# || | ||
An even larger problem is that Meantone[12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone[12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. In other words the notation is overly tuning-dependent. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth[12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant[12] ambiguous. For example "Dominant 8|3" could mean either "4th Dominant[12]" or "9th Dominant[12]". Something similar happens with Meantone[19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone[19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot[7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore[5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any | An even larger problem is that Meantone[12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone[12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. In other words the notation is overly tuning-dependent. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth[12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant[12] ambiguous. For example "Dominant 8|3" could mean either "4th Dominant[12]" or "9th Dominant[12]". Something similar happens with Meantone[19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone[19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot[7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore[5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any N-edo interval to slightly sharp of it. | ||
A fourth problem with UDP is more of a taste issue: UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas GMN is musician-oriented. For example, the most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with GMN but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering|zero-based counting]] and GMN uses the more intuitive one-based counting. | A fourth problem with UDP is more of a taste issue: UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas GMN is musician-oriented. For example, the most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with GMN but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering|zero-based counting]] and GMN uses the more intuitive one-based counting. | ||
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Multiple genchains occur because rank-2 really is 2 dimensional, with a &quot;genweb&quot; running in octaves (or whatever the period is) vertically and fifths (or whatever the generator is) horizontally. When the period is an octave, this octave-reduces to a single horizontal genchain. But shrutal has a genweb with vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth.<br /> | Multiple genchains occur because rank-2 really is 2 dimensional, with a &quot;genweb&quot; running in octaves (or whatever the period is) vertically and fifths (or whatever the generator is) horizontally. When the period is an octave, this octave-reduces to a single horizontal genchain. But shrutal has a genweb with vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth.<br /> | ||
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In order to be a MOS scale, the genchains must of course be the right length, and without any gaps. But they must also line up exactly, so that each note has a neighbor immediately above and/or below. In other words, every column of the genweb must be complete.<br /> | In order to be a MOS scale, the parallel genchains must of course be the right length, and without any gaps. But they must also line up exactly, so that each note has a neighbor immediately above and/or below. In other words, every column of the genweb must be complete.<br /> | ||
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If the period is a fraction of an octave, 3/2 is still preferred over all other generators, even though that makes the generator larger than the period. Shrutal's generator is 3/2, not 16/15. However, 16/15 would still create the same mode numbers and thus the same scale names.<br /> | If the period is a fraction of an octave, 3/2 is still preferred over all other generators, even though that makes the generator larger than the period. Shrutal's generator is 3/2, not 16/15. However, 16/15 would still create the same mode numbers and thus the same scale names.<br /> | ||
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There are only two Blackwood[10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is 5/4. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. There are five genchains. Ups and downs are used to distinguish between 5/4 and 2\5, | There are only two Blackwood[10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is 5/4 = 386¢. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. There are five short genchains. Ups and downs are used to distinguish between 5/4 and 2\5, in order to avoid duplicate note names.<br /> | ||
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Examples:<br /> | Compact the genchain to remove any gaps via chromatic alterations. The mode number is derived from the compacted genchain. Examples:<br /> | ||
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C D E F F# G A B C, which has a genchain F <u><strong>C</strong></u> G D A E B F#, and is named C 2nd Meantone[8].<br /> | C D E F F# G A B C, which has a genchain F <u><strong>C</strong></u> G D A E B F#, and is named C 2nd Meantone[8].<br /> | ||
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An even larger problem is that Meantone[12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone[12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. In other words the notation is overly tuning-dependent. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth[12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant[12] ambiguous. For example &quot;Dominant 8|3&quot; could mean either &quot;4th Dominant[12]&quot; or &quot;9th Dominant[12]&quot;. Something similar happens with Meantone[19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone[19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot[7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore[5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any | An even larger problem is that Meantone[12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone[12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. In other words the notation is overly tuning-dependent. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth[12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant[12] ambiguous. For example &quot;Dominant 8|3&quot; could mean either &quot;4th Dominant[12]&quot; or &quot;9th Dominant[12]&quot;. Something similar happens with Meantone[19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone[19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot[7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore[5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any N-edo interval to slightly sharp of it.<br /> | ||
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A fourth problem with UDP is more of a taste issue: UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas GMN is musician-oriented. For example, the most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with GMN but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering" rel="nofollow">zero-based counting</a> and GMN uses the more intuitive one-based counting.<br /> | A fourth problem with UDP is more of a taste issue: UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas GMN is musician-oriented. For example, the most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with GMN but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering" rel="nofollow">zero-based counting</a> and GMN uses the more intuitive one-based counting.<br /> | ||