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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">A **comma** is a small just interval, greater than 1 and not a power such as a square or cube of any other interval, generally in a [[Harmonic Limit|low prime limit]]. The word is often used in reference to [[Regular Temperaments|regular tempering]] when the comma is //[[tempering out|tempered out]]//, which is to say reduced to a unison, by the temperament. For example the Didymos comma of 81/80 is tempered out by [[Meantone|meantone temperament]].
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">==Definition==


==3-limit commas==
A **comma** is a small interval that occurs in Just intonation, between two intervals which are close in pitch. Commas are always greater than 1 and not a power such as a square or cube of any other interval, generally in a [[Harmonic Limit|low prime limit]]. The word is often used in reference to [[Regular Temperaments|regular tempering]] when the comma is //[[tempering out|tempered out]]//, which is to say reduced to a unison, by the temperament, thereby equating the intervals separated by that comma. For example the Syntonic or Didymus comma of 81/80, which occurs between 10/9 and 9/8, as well as 81/64 and 5/4, is tempered out by [[Meantone|meantone temperament]]. Commas are usually written as ratios, but they can also be written as monzos. The following lists mostly give both forms.


==List of commas, by prime limit==
===3-limit commas===
256 / 243 = |8 -5&gt;: limma or Pythagorean minor second (90.225 [[cent]]s)
256 / 243 = |8 -5&gt;: limma or Pythagorean minor second (90.225 [[cent]]s)
2187 / 2048 = |-11 7&gt;: apotome (113.685 cents)
2187 / 2048 = |-11 7&gt;: apotome (113.685 cents)
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|-1054 665&gt;: Satanic comma (0.076 cents)
|-1054 665&gt;: Satanic comma (0.076 cents)


==5-limit commas==  
===5-limit commas===
 
[[135_128|135 / 128]] = |-7 3 1&gt;: [[major chroma]], [[major limma]], [[pelogic comma]] (92.179 [[cent]]s)
[[135_128|135 / 128]] = |-7 3 1&gt;: [[major chroma]], [[major limma]], [[pelogic comma]] (92.179 [[cent]]s)
5000000 / 4782969 = |6 -14 7&gt;: sevond (76.826 cents)
5000000 / 4782969 = |6 -14 7&gt;: sevond (76.826 cents)
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|161 -84 -12&gt;: atom (0.015 cents)
|161 -84 -12&gt;: atom (0.015 cents)


==7-limit commas==  
===7-limit commas===
 
1029 / 1000 = |-3 1 -3 3&gt;: keega (49.492 [[cent]]s)
1029 / 1000 = |-3 1 -3 3&gt;: keega (49.492 [[cent]]s)
36 / 35 = |2 2 -1 -1&gt;: septimal quarter tone (48.770 cents)
36 / 35 = |2 2 -1 -1&gt;: septimal quarter tone (48.770 cents)
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250047 / 250000 = |-4 6 -6 3&gt;: landscape comma (0.325 cents)
250047 / 250000 = |-4 6 -6 3&gt;: landscape comma (0.325 cents)


==11-limit commas==  
===11-limit commas===
 
99 / 98 = |-1 2 0 -2 1&gt;: mothwellsma (17.576 cents)
99 / 98 = |-1 2 0 -2 1&gt;: mothwellsma (17.576 cents)
100 / 99 = |2 -2 2 0 -1&gt;: ptolemisma (17.399 cents)
100 / 99 = |2 -2 2 0 -1&gt;: ptolemisma (17.399 cents)
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3294225 / 3294172 = |-2 2 2 -7 4&gt;: ultimo (0.028 cents)
3294225 / 3294172 = |-2 2 2 -7 4&gt;: ultimo (0.028 cents)


==13-limit commas==  
===13-limit commas===
 
78 / 77 = |1 1 0 -1 -1 1&gt;: negustma (22.229 cents)
78 / 77 = |1 1 0 -1 -1 1&gt;: negustma (22.229 cents)
91 / 90 = |-1 -2 -1 1 0 1&gt;: superleap (19.130 cents)
91 / 90 = |-1 -2 -1 1 0 1&gt;: superleap (19.130 cents)
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676 / 675 = |2 -3 -2 0 0 2&gt;: [[The Archipelago|parizeksma]] (2.563 cents)</pre></div>
676 / 675 = |2 -3 -2 0 0 2&gt;: [[The Archipelago|parizeksma]] (2.563 cents)</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Comma&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;A &lt;strong&gt;comma&lt;/strong&gt; is a small just interval, greater than 1 and not a power such as a square or cube of any other interval, generally in a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit"&gt;low prime limit&lt;/a&gt;. The word is often used in reference to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments"&gt;regular tempering&lt;/a&gt; when the comma is &lt;em&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/tempering%20out"&gt;tempered out&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, which is to say reduced to a unison, by the temperament. For example the Didymos comma of 81/80 is tempered out by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Meantone"&gt;meantone temperament&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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A &lt;strong&gt;comma&lt;/strong&gt; is a small interval that occurs in Just intonation, between two intervals which are close in pitch. Commas are always greater than 1 and not a power such as a square or cube of any other interval, generally in a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit"&gt;low prime limit&lt;/a&gt;. The word is often used in reference to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments"&gt;regular tempering&lt;/a&gt; when the comma is &lt;em&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/tempering%20out"&gt;tempered out&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, which is to say reduced to a unison, by the temperament, thereby equating the intervals separated by that comma. For example the Syntonic or Didymus comma of 81/80, which occurs between 10/9 and 9/8, as well as 81/64 and 5/4, is tempered out by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Meantone"&gt;meantone temperament&lt;/a&gt;. Commas are usually written as ratios, but they can also be written as monzos. The following lists mostly give both forms.&lt;br /&gt;
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256 / 243 = |8 -5&amp;gt;: limma or Pythagorean minor second (90.225 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s)&lt;br /&gt;
256 / 243 = |8 -5&amp;gt;: limma or Pythagorean minor second (90.225 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s)&lt;br /&gt;
2187 / 2048 = |-11 7&amp;gt;: apotome (113.685 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
2187 / 2048 = |-11 7&amp;gt;: apotome (113.685 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
531441 / 524288 = |-19 12&amp;gt;: Pythagorean comma (23.460 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
531441 / 524288 = |-19 12&amp;gt;: Pythagorean comma (23.460 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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|-1054 665&amp;gt;: Satanic comma (0.076 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
|-1054 665&amp;gt;: Satanic comma (0.076 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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  &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/135_128"&gt;135 / 128&lt;/a&gt; = |-7 3 1&amp;gt;: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/major%20chroma"&gt;major chroma&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/major%20limma"&gt;major limma&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/pelogic%20comma"&gt;pelogic comma&lt;/a&gt; (92.179 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/135_128"&gt;135 / 128&lt;/a&gt; = |-7 3 1&amp;gt;: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/major%20chroma"&gt;major chroma&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/major%20limma"&gt;major limma&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/pelogic%20comma"&gt;pelogic comma&lt;/a&gt; (92.179 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s)&lt;br /&gt;
5000000 / 4782969 = |6 -14 7&amp;gt;: sevond (76.826 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
5000000 / 4782969 = |6 -14 7&amp;gt;: sevond (76.826 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
25 /24 = |-3 -1 2&amp;gt;: chromatic semitone (70.672 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
25 /24 = |-3 -1 2&amp;gt;: chromatic semitone (70.672 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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|161 -84 -12&amp;gt;: atom (0.015 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
|161 -84 -12&amp;gt;: atom (0.015 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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  1029 / 1000 = |-3 1 -3 3&amp;gt;: keega (49.492 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s)&lt;br /&gt;
1029 / 1000 = |-3 1 -3 3&amp;gt;: keega (49.492 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s)&lt;br /&gt;
36 / 35 = |2 2 -1 -1&amp;gt;: septimal quarter tone (48.770 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
36 / 35 = |2 2 -1 -1&amp;gt;: septimal quarter tone (48.770 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
525 / 512 = |-9 1 2 1&amp;gt;: avicennma, Avicenna's enharmonic diesis (43.408 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
525 / 512 = |-9 1 2 1&amp;gt;: avicennma, Avicenna's enharmonic diesis (43.408 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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250047 / 250000 = |-4 6 -6 3&amp;gt;: landscape comma (0.325 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
250047 / 250000 = |-4 6 -6 3&amp;gt;: landscape comma (0.325 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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  99 / 98 = |-1 2 0 -2 1&amp;gt;: mothwellsma (17.576 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
99 / 98 = |-1 2 0 -2 1&amp;gt;: mothwellsma (17.576 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
100 / 99 = |2 -2 2 0 -1&amp;gt;: ptolemisma (17.399 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
100 / 99 = |2 -2 2 0 -1&amp;gt;: ptolemisma (17.399 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
121 / 120 = |-3 -1 -1 0 2&amp;gt;: biyatisma (14.367 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
121 / 120 = |-3 -1 -1 0 2&amp;gt;: biyatisma (14.367 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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3294225 / 3294172 = |-2 2 2 -7 4&amp;gt;: ultimo (0.028 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
3294225 / 3294172 = |-2 2 2 -7 4&amp;gt;: ultimo (0.028 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
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  78 / 77 = |1 1 0 -1 -1 1&amp;gt;: negustma (22.229 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
78 / 77 = |1 1 0 -1 -1 1&amp;gt;: negustma (22.229 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
91 / 90 = |-1 -2 -1 1 0 1&amp;gt;: superleap (19.130 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
91 / 90 = |-1 -2 -1 1 0 1&amp;gt;: superleap (19.130 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
105 / 104 = |-3 1 1 1 0 1&amp;gt;: wintone (16.567 cents)&lt;br /&gt;
105 / 104 = |-3 1 1 1 0 1&amp;gt;: wintone (16.567 cents)&lt;br /&gt;