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Like, one can say that the golden ratio is irrational, but also it’s pretty close to, say, 34/21 for many purposes (beating of ϕ with 144/89 at ~6 kHz is seconds), and sounds very much like so—though it has its differences. (At 200 Hz, 34:55 has for me virtually all qualities of 1:ϕ sound, even 13:21 being very close in quality right after 8:13 which feels absolutely like JI, with strong locked feel.) This example went out of control because I went on investigating boundaries lol. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 13:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

: I second this point of view. Arguing on one hand that a scale can approximate JI, but on the other that no edo or MOS scale can approximate it, that's doesn't seem very coherent. It would be more relevant to provide examples of edos or mosses that have a subset which approximates this scale, including the level of accuracy this approximation provides. And then one might even ask: why approximate this scale if the goal is to approximate JI, then maybe I should just approximate JI directly then? If there is an interest in having a fractal structure (e.g. melodic or harmonic properties), then this should be explained. General properties can go on the [[fractal scale]] page, while properties specific to this scale can go on this page. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 20:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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	Like, one can say that the golden ratio is irrational, but also it’s pretty close to, say, 34/21 for many purposes (beating of ϕ with 144/89 at ~6 kHz is seconds), and sounds very much like so—though it has its differences. (At 200 Hz, 34:55 has for me virtually all qualities of 1:ϕ sound, even 13:21 being very close in quality right after 8:13 which feels absolutely like JI, with strong locked feel.) This example went out of control because I went on investigating boundaries lol. --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 13:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)		Like, one can say that the golden ratio is irrational, but also it’s pretty close to, say, 34/21 for many purposes (beating of ϕ with 144/89 at ~6 kHz is seconds), and sounds very much like so—though it has its differences. (At 200 Hz, 34:55 has for me virtually all qualities of 1:ϕ sound, even 13:21 being very close in quality right after 8:13 which feels absolutely like JI, with strong locked feel.) This example went out of control because I went on investigating boundaries lol. --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 13:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

			: I second this point of view. Arguing on one hand that a scale can approximate JI, but on the other that no edo or MOS scale can approximate it, that's doesn't seem very coherent. It would be more relevant to provide examples of edos or mosses that have a subset which approximates this scale, including the level of accuracy this approximation provides. And then one might even ask: why approximate this scale if the goal is to approximate JI, then maybe I should just approximate JI directly then? If there is an interest in having a fractal structure (e.g. melodic or harmonic properties), then this should be explained. General properties can go on the [[fractal scale]] page, while properties specific to this scale can go on this page. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 20:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)