User:Inthar/5L 3s: Difference between revisions

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Favorite modes: Dylathian (33233232), Sarn (23233233)

21edo has the [[Step ratio|soft]] [[oneirotonic]] (5L 3s) mos with generator 8\21; in addition to the [[naiadic]]s (457.14¢) and extremely sharp fifths (742.85¢) that generate it, it has neutral thirds (instead of major thirds as in [[13edo]] oneirotonic), neogothic minor thirds, and meantone-like diatonic semitones. The 4-steps (4-step intervals) are more tritone-like than fifth-like, unlike in 13edo, although they do have a consonant, even JI-like quality to them. ~~In terms of JI, it mainly approximates 16:23:30 (R~~-~~Lmos5~~-~~L7ms). Importantly, the sharp fifth~~ is ~~now harmonically much more fifth~~-~~like than the flat fifth, unlike in [[13edo]]~~ and ~~harder tunings. The main consonances are now chords using seconds and sevenths (~~in ~~addition~~ to thirds and sixths). The relatively consonant 114¢ and 1086¢ intervals may help to mask some of the more dissonant sonorities such as the naiadic and the sharp fifth, and work for chill and lo-fi styles.

21edo has the [[Step ratio|soft]] [[oneirotonic]] (5L 3s) mos with generator 8\21; in addition to the [[naiadic]]s (457.14¢) and extremely sharp fifths (742.85¢) that generate it, it has neutral thirds (instead of major thirds as in [[13edo]] oneirotonic), neogothic minor thirds, and meantone-like diatonic semitones. The 4-steps (4-step intervals) are more tritone-like than fifth-like, unlike in 13edo, although they do have a consonant, even JI-like quality to them. The chord 0-342-629-1085 is pseudo-JI and is in fact very close to 32:39:46:60.

* 0-342-629: buzzy with sine-like timbres

* 0-343-457

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* [https://xenpaper.com/#(bpm%3A115)%7Br236.960465669hz%7D(osc%3Atriangle)%7B21edo%7D%0A%0A%5B0%2C6%2C8%5D-------%0A%7Br3%7D%5B0%2C3%2C8%5D-------%0A%7Br3%7D%5B0%2C5%2C7%5D-------%0A%7Br5%7D%5B0%2C5%5D---%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C5%5D---%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C3%2C8%2C13%5D-------%0A%7Br6%7D%5B0%2C2%2C10%5D---%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C5%2C10%5D---%0A%7Br%6019%7D%5B0%2C5%2C12%5D-------%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C8%2C10%5D--..%7Br%6015%7D0_3_6 Example progression using the above chords]

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~~34edo (semisoft) oneirotonic is broadly similar, except the small steps are more 12edo-like and less meantone-like.~~

* sus24 non5: J-K-M, L-M-O, M-N-P, O-P-J, Q-J-L

* sus24 non5 addmin7: J-Q-K-M, M-L-N-P

* falling fifth addmaj7 ≈ 16:23:30: O-K-N, L-P-K, Q-M-P

* Falling Major Triad: Q-K-M, L-N-P

* 16:23:29 (in 21edo): J-N-Q

~~Other chords:~~

* Quartal Tetrad: Q-J-L-O, L-M-O-J, O-P-J-M, J-K-M-P, M-N-P-K

* Quartal Pentad: L-M-O-P-J, O-P-J-K-M, J-K-M-N-P, M-N-P-Q-K

* Falling Minor Triad: J-L-N, O-Q-K

* squashed diminished: M-O-Q, P-J-L, K-M-O, N-P-J

~~-->~~

Seconds, tritones and sevenths are consonances in addition to thirds and sixths. The naiadic is a semiconsonance. The sharp fifth is fifth-like but is still dissonant. The triad root-third-629 can resolve to a more consonant chord such as 0-343-457.

It is suggested to use R-2ms-mos5-6ms carefully in 21edo oneiro - it sounds more like a dissonant, unstable 12edo diminished 7th, unlike in 13edo and harder oneiro tunings where they have a more discernible (though complex) identity.

== Nejis ==

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 Favorite modes: Dylathian (33233232), Sarn (23233233)
-edo has the [[Step ratio|soft]] [[oneirotonic]] (5L 3s) mos with generator 8\21; in addition to the [[naiadic]]s (457.14¢) and extremely sharp fifths (742.85¢) that generate it, it has neutral thirds (instead of major thirds as in [[13edo]] oneirotonic), neogothic minor thirds, and meantone-like diatonic semitones. The 4-steps (4-step intervals) are more tritone-like than fifth-like, unlike in 13edo, although they do have a consonant, even JI-like quality to them. In terms of JI, it mainly approximates 16:23:30 (R-Lmos5-L7ms). Importantly, the sharp fifth is now harmonically much more fifth-like than the flat fifth, unlike in [[13edo]] and harder tunings. The main consonances are now chords using seconds and sevenths (in addition to thirds and sixths). The relatively consonant 114¢ and 1086¢ intervals may help to mask some of the more dissonant sonorities such as the naiadic and the sharp fifth, and work for chill and lo-fi styles.
+edo has the [[Step ratio|soft]] [[oneirotonic]] (5L 3s) mos with generator 8\21; in addition to the [[naiadic]]s (457.14¢) and extremely sharp fifths (742.85¢) that generate it, it has neutral thirds (instead of major thirds as in [[13edo]] oneirotonic), neogothic minor thirds, and meantone-like diatonic semitones. The 4-steps (4-step intervals) are more tritone-like than fifth-like, unlike in 13edo, although they do have a consonant, even JI-like quality to them. The chord 0-342-629-1085 is pseudo-JI and is in fact very close to 32:39:46:60.
 * 0-342-629: buzzy with sine-like timbres
 * 0-343-457
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 * [https://xenpaper.com/#(bpm%3A115)%7Br236.960465669hz%7D(osc%3Atriangle)%7B21edo%7D%0A%0A%5B0%2C6%2C8%5D-------%0A%7Br3%7D%5B0%2C3%2C8%5D-------%0A%7Br3%7D%5B0%2C5%2C7%5D-------%0A%7Br5%7D%5B0%2C5%5D---%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C5%5D---%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C3%2C8%2C13%5D-------%0A%7Br6%7D%5B0%2C2%2C10%5D---%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C5%2C10%5D---%0A%7Br%6019%7D%5B0%2C5%2C12%5D-------%0A%7Br%6018%7D%5B0%2C8%2C10%5D--..%7Br%6015%7D0_3_6 Example progression using the above chords]
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-edo (semisoft) oneirotonic is broadly similar, except the small steps are more 12edo-like and less meantone-like.
-* sus24 non5: J-K-M, L-M-O, M-N-P, O-P-J, Q-J-L
-* sus24 non5 addmin7: J-Q-K-M, M-L-N-P
-* falling fifth addmaj7 ≈ 16:23:30: O-K-N, L-P-K, Q-M-P
-* Falling Major Triad: Q-K-M, L-N-P
-* 16:23:29 (in 21edo): J-N-Q
-Other chords:
-* Quartal Tetrad: Q-J-L-O, L-M-O-J, O-P-J-M, J-K-M-P, M-N-P-K
-* Quartal Pentad: L-M-O-P-J, O-P-J-K-M, J-K-M-N-P, M-N-P-Q-K
-* Falling Minor Triad: J-L-N, O-Q-K
-* squashed diminished: M-O-Q, P-J-L, K-M-O, N-P-J
--->
-Seconds, tritones and sevenths are consonances in addition to thirds and sixths. The naiadic is a semiconsonance. The sharp fifth is fifth-like but is still dissonant. The triad root-third-629 can resolve to a more consonant chord such as 0-343-457.
-It is suggested to use R-2ms-mos5-6ms carefully in 21edo oneiro - it sounds more like a dissonant, unstable 12edo diminished 7th, unlike in 13edo and harder oneiro tunings where they have a more discernible (though complex) identity.
 == Nejis ==