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However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the "anti-pentatonic") and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the "quarter-tone" version of the Blackwood/[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29|Rapoport]]/Wilson 13-EDO "subminor" scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a "4/3", we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.
However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the "anti-pentatonic") and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the "quarter-tone" version of the Blackwood/[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29|Rapoport]]/Wilson 13-EDO "subminor" scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a "4/3", we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.
I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale;
This is derived from extending the ~1/3 comma tempered 13th harmonic, two of which add up to the h21
and three add up to the h17 almost perfectly (I discovered the temperament before I even realised 23 tone fits)
The chord 8:13:21:34 is a fragment of the fibonacci sequence, and 16:21:26 is harmonically symmetrical
(The chord 26:29:32 is also symmetric, but only 20 and 43 edo approximate the h29 as well)
13:17:21 is symmetrical, and 17:21:26:32 has an interesting linear widening pattern, but more importantly,
the h13 and h17 are both dual primes like 3&amp;5 and 7&amp;11
Thus I have named these 10 modes according to the Sephiroth as follows:
2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Mode Keter
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Chesed
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Netzach
3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 - Malkuth
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 - Binah
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 - Tiferet
3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 - Yesod
2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Chokmah
2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Gevurah
3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Keter
-- Kosmorsky


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**2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1**
**2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1**
2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale;
This is derived from extending the ~1/3 comma tempered 13th harmonic, two of which add up to the h21
and three add up to the h17 almost perfectly (I discovered the temperament before I even realised 23 tone fits)
The chord 8:13:21 is a fragment of the fibonacci sequence, and 16:21:26 is harmonically symmetrical
(The chord 26:29:32 is also symmetric, but only 20 and 43 edo approximate the h29 as well)
13:17:21 is symmetrical, and 17:21:26:32 has an interesting linear widening pattern, but more importantly,
the h13 and h17 are both dual primes like 3&amp;5 and 7&amp;11
Thus I have named these 10 modes according to the Sephiroth as follows:
2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Mode Keter
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Chesed
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Netzach
3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 - Malkuth
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 - Binah
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 - Tiferet
3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 - Yesod
2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Chokmah
2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Gevurah
3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Keter
-- Kosmorsky


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However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the &amp;quot;anti-pentatonic&amp;quot;) and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the &amp;quot;quarter-tone&amp;quot; version of the Blackwood/&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rapoport&lt;/a&gt;/Wilson 13-EDO &amp;quot;subminor&amp;quot; scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a &amp;quot;4/3&amp;quot;, we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.&lt;br /&gt;
However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the &amp;quot;anti-pentatonic&amp;quot;) and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the &amp;quot;quarter-tone&amp;quot; version of the Blackwood/&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rapoport&lt;/a&gt;/Wilson 13-EDO &amp;quot;subminor&amp;quot; scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a &amp;quot;4/3&amp;quot;, we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale;&lt;br /&gt;
This is derived from extending the ~1/3 comma tempered 13th harmonic, two of which add up to the h21&lt;br /&gt;
and three add up to the h17 almost perfectly (I discovered the temperament before I even realised 23 tone fits)&lt;br /&gt;
The chord 8:13:21:34 is a fragment of the fibonacci sequence, and 16:21:26 is harmonically symmetrical&lt;br /&gt;
(The chord 26:29:32 is also symmetric, but only 20 and 43 edo approximate the h29 as well)&lt;br /&gt;
13:17:21 is symmetrical, and 17:21:26:32 has an interesting linear widening pattern, but more importantly,&lt;br /&gt;
the h13 and h17 are both dual primes like 3&amp;amp;5 and 7&amp;amp;11&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thus I have named these 10 modes according to the Sephiroth as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Mode Keter&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Chesed&lt;br /&gt;
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Netzach&lt;br /&gt;
3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 - Malkuth&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 - Binah&lt;br /&gt;
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 - Tiferet&lt;br /&gt;
3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 - Yesod&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Chokmah&lt;br /&gt;
2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Gevurah&lt;br /&gt;
3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Keter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-- Kosmorsky&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1&lt;br /&gt;
2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale;&lt;br /&gt;
This is derived from extending the ~1/3 comma tempered 13th harmonic, two of which add up to the h21&lt;br /&gt;
and three add up to the h17 almost perfectly (I discovered the temperament before I even realised 23 tone fits)&lt;br /&gt;
The chord 8:13:21 is a fragment of the fibonacci sequence, and 16:21:26 is harmonically symmetrical&lt;br /&gt;
(The chord 26:29:32 is also symmetric, but only 20 and 43 edo approximate the h29 as well)&lt;br /&gt;
13:17:21 is symmetrical, and 17:21:26:32 has an interesting linear widening pattern, but more importantly,&lt;br /&gt;
the h13 and h17 are both dual primes like 3&amp;amp;5 and 7&amp;amp;11&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thus I have named these 10 modes according to the Sephiroth as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Mode Keter&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Chesed&lt;br /&gt;
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Netzach&lt;br /&gt;
3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 - Malkuth&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 - Binah&lt;br /&gt;
2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 - Tiferet&lt;br /&gt;
3 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 - Yesod&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 - Chokmah&lt;br /&gt;
2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 - Gevurah&lt;br /&gt;
3 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 - Keter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-- Kosmorsky&lt;br /&gt;
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