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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">In [[13-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The 11th harmonic ([[11_8|11/8]], about 551.3¢) and the 13th harmonic ([[13_8|13/8]], about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, but 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of low minor third. It can even function as such in a relatively consonant 13-limit Neo-Gothic minor triad which goes 22:26:33, with a [[3_2|3/2]] perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant [[16_11|16/11]] in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a very xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">In [[13-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The 11th harmonic ([[11_8|11/8]], about 551.3¢) and the 13th harmonic ([[13_8|13/8]], about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, but 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of low minor third. It can even function as such in a relatively consonant 13-limit [[Neo-Gothic]] minor triad of 22:26:33, with a [[3_2|3/2]] perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant [[16_11|16/11]] in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a very xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.


See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals|Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals]]
See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals|Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals]], [[gentle chords]], [[List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI]]


[[http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt|The Noble Mediant]] (earliest description of 13:11 as the "Neo-Gothic" minor third)</pre></div>
[[http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt|The Noble Mediant]] (earliest description of 13:11 as the "Neo-Gothic" minor third)</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;13_11&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit"&gt;13-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The 11th harmonic (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/11_8"&gt;11/8&lt;/a&gt;, about 551.3¢) and the 13th harmonic (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13_8"&gt;13/8&lt;/a&gt;, about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, but 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of low minor third. It can even function as such in a relatively consonant 13-limit Neo-Gothic minor triad which goes 22:26:33, with a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3_2"&gt;3/2&lt;/a&gt; perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/16_11"&gt;16/11&lt;/a&gt; in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a very xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.&lt;br /&gt;
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;13_11&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit"&gt;13-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The 11th harmonic (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/11_8"&gt;11/8&lt;/a&gt;, about 551.3¢) and the 13th harmonic (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13_8"&gt;13/8&lt;/a&gt;, about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, but 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of low minor third. It can even function as such in a relatively consonant 13-limit &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Neo-Gothic"&gt;Neo-Gothic&lt;/a&gt; minor triad of 22:26:33, with a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3_2"&gt;3/2&lt;/a&gt; perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/16_11"&gt;16/11&lt;/a&gt; in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a very xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.&lt;br /&gt;
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See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/gentle%20chords"&gt;gentle chords&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/List%20of%20root-3rd-P5%20triads%20in%20JI"&gt;List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Noble Mediant&lt;/a&gt; (earliest description of 13:11 as the &amp;quot;Neo-Gothic&amp;quot; minor third)&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Noble Mediant&lt;/a&gt; (earliest description of 13:11 as the &amp;quot;Neo-Gothic&amp;quot; minor third)&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

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In [[13-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The 11th harmonic ([[11_8|11/8]], about 551.3¢) and the 13th harmonic ([[13_8|13/8]], about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, but 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of low minor third. It can even function as such in a relatively consonant 13-limit [[Neo-Gothic]] minor triad of 22:26:33, with a [[3_2|3/2]] perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant [[16_11|16/11]] in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a very xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.

See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals|Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals]], [[gentle chords]], [[List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI]]

[[http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt|The Noble Mediant]] (earliest description of 13:11 as the "Neo-Gothic" minor third)

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<html><head><title>13_11</title></head><body>In <a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit">13-limit</a> <a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation">Just Intonation</a>, 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The 11th harmonic (<a class="wiki_link" href="/11_8">11/8</a>, about 551.3¢) and the 13th harmonic (<a class="wiki_link" href="/13_8">13/8</a>, about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, but 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of low minor third. It can even function as such in a relatively consonant 13-limit <a class="wiki_link" href="/Neo-Gothic">Neo-Gothic</a> minor triad of 22:26:33, with a <a class="wiki_link" href="/3_2">3/2</a> perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant <a class="wiki_link" href="/16_11">16/11</a> in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a very xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.<br />
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See: <a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals">Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/gentle%20chords">gentle chords</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/List%20of%20root-3rd-P5%20triads%20in%20JI">List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI</a><br />
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<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt" rel="nofollow">The Noble Mediant</a> (earliest description of 13:11 as the &quot;Neo-Gothic&quot; minor third)</body></html>