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These are pronounced "downmajor second", "upminor third", etc. For 4ths and 5ths, "perfect" is implied and can be omitted: ^P4 = "up-four" and vP5 = "down-five". In larger edos there may be "down-octave", "up-unison", etc. | These are pronounced "downmajor second", "upminor third", etc. For 4ths and 5ths, "perfect" is implied and can be omitted: ^P4 = "up-four" and vP5 = "down-five". In larger edos there may be "down-octave", "up-unison", etc. | ||
0-7-13-18 in C is "C,vM,m7", pronounced "C downmajor, minor seventh". The comma between the C and the down symbol is needed because Cv is a note, and "Cv,M,m7" is a different chord. That chord is pronounced "C down, major, minor 7th", so one has to "speak the comma". The extra comma isn't needed | 0-7-13-18 in C is "C,vM,m7", pronounced "C downmajor, minor seventh". The comma between the C and the down symbol is needed because Cv is a note, and "Cv,M,m7" is a different chord. That chord is pronounced "C down, major, minor 7th", so one has to "speak the comma". The extra comma isn't needed if there's no ups or downs immediately after the note name, e.g. Cm. | ||
The conventional chord naming system uses a lot of "shorthand" like dom7 for M3,m7 and min6 for m3,M6. This causes problems in 22edo where there are so many choices for the 3rd, the 6th, the 7th and the 9th. For example, min6 could mean m3,vM6 = approximate 6:7:9:10 chord, or it could mean ^m3,M6 = approximate 1/1-6/5-3/2-12/7 chord. Larger edos would present even greater problems. Furthermore there's some ambiguity in the shorthand, e.g. in 12edo, both 0-3-6 and 0-3-6-9 are called dim chords. | The conventional chord naming system uses a lot of "shorthand" like dom7 for M3,m7 and min6 for m3,M6. This causes problems in 22edo where there are so many choices for the 3rd, the 6th, the 7th and the 9th. For example, min6 could mean m3,vM6 = approximate 6:7:9:10 chord, or it could mean ^m3,M6 = approximate 1/1-6/5-3/2-12/7 chord. Larger edos would present even greater problems. Furthermore there's some ambiguity in the shorthand, e.g. in 12edo, both 0-3-6 and 0-3-6-9 are called dim chords. | ||
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Thus the shorthand should be largely abandoned and all the components of the chord should be explicitly spelled out, with a few exceptions: 1) The root, obviously. 2) The perfect 5th is assumed present unless otherwise specified. Thus 0-7-18 is C,vM,m7,no5 and 0-6-11 is C,^m,^d5. 3) The 3rd is also assumed to be present, and to be major, and is implied by a quality with no degree. Thus 0-8-13 is C and 0-7-13 is C,vM. 4) The 3rd isn't spelled out if the 6th or 7th has the same quality as the 3rd. Thus 0-7-13-16 is C,vM6, but 0-7-13-17 is C,vM,M6. Thirdless chords: 0-13-18 is either Cm7,no3 or C5,m7. | Thus the shorthand should be largely abandoned and all the components of the chord should be explicitly spelled out, with a few exceptions: 1) The root, obviously. 2) The perfect 5th is assumed present unless otherwise specified. Thus 0-7-18 is C,vM,m7,no5 and 0-6-11 is C,^m,^d5. 3) The 3rd is also assumed to be present, and to be major, and is implied by a quality with no degree. Thus 0-8-13 is C and 0-7-13 is C,vM. 4) The 3rd isn't spelled out if the 6th or 7th has the same quality as the 3rd. Thus 0-7-13-16 is C,vM6, but 0-7-13-17 is C,vM,M6. Thirdless chords: 0-13-18 is either Cm7,no3 or C5,m7. | ||
The 6th, the 7th, the 9th, the 11th, etc. are each explicitly written out, and assumed to be major or perfect. Thus the presence of a 9th doesn't imply the presence of a 7th. | The 6th, the 7th, the 9th, the 11th, etc. are each explicitly written out, and assumed to be major or perfect, except that the 7th is assumed to be minor. Thus the presence of a 9th doesn't imply the presence of a 7th. | ||
Sus chords: as usual, "sus" means the 3rd is replaced by the named note, a 2nd or 4th. "Sus4" implies a perfect 4th, and other 4ths are specified explicitly as sus^4 for an up-fourth, etc. Some larger edos would have susv4, susvv4, etc. "Sus2" implies a major 2nd. In most edos, this M2 is always a perfect 4th below the perfect 5th, implying an approximate 8:9:12 chord. See the fourthwards EDOs below for an exception. | Sus chords: as usual, "sus" means the 3rd is replaced by the named note, a 2nd or 4th. "Sus4" implies a perfect 4th, and other 4ths are specified explicitly as sus^4 for an up-fourth, etc. Some larger edos would have susv4, susvv4, etc. "Sus2" implies a major 2nd. In most edos, this M2 is always a perfect 4th below the perfect 5th, implying an approximate 8:9:12 chord. See the fourthwards EDOs below for an exception. | ||
"Aug" and "dim" chords: many of the larger EDOs have an aug 3rd distinct from the perfect 4th, and a dim 3rd distinct from the major 2nd. An A3,P5 chord is A3 = "aug three chord", not "aug chord", to distinguish it from the conventional aug chord M3,A5. That chord | "Aug" and "dim" chords: many of the larger EDOs have an aug 3rd distinct from the perfect 4th, and a dim 3rd distinct from the major 2nd. An A3,P5 chord is A3 = "aug three chord", not "aug chord", to distinguish it from the conventional aug chord M3,A5. That chord is still called an aug chord, or more exactly a "major, aug five" chord. Likewise d3,P5 is a "dim three chord", and m3,d5 is a "dim" chord, or "minor, dim five" chord. | ||
0-5-13 = m | 0-5-13 = m | ||
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0-6-11-15 = ^m6,^d5 | 0-6-11-15 = ^m6,^d5 | ||
0-7-13-16 = vM6 | 0-7-13-16 = vM6 | ||
0-8-13-17 = | 0-8-13-17 = 6 | ||
0-5-13-18 = m7 | 0-5-13-18 = m7 | ||
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You can write out chord progressions using the ups/downs notation for note names. Here's the first 4 chords of Paul Erlich's 22edo composition Tibia: | You can write out chord progressions using the ups/downs notation for note names. Here's the first 4 chords of Paul Erlich's 22edo composition Tibia: | ||
G,vM7, | G,vM7,no5 = "G downmajor seven, no five"" | ||
Eb^,vM,M9 = "E flat up, downmajor, major nine" | Eb^,vM,M9 = "E flat up, downmajor, major nine" | ||
Gm7, | Gm7,no5 (no comma needed) = "G minor seven, no five" | ||
A,vM,m7 = "A downmajor, minor seven" | A,vM,m7 = "A downmajor, minor seven" | ||
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Here's the Tibia chords. No comma is needed after the root because ups and downs are always leading, never trailing. | Here's the Tibia chords. No comma is needed after the root because ups and downs are always leading, never trailing. | ||
IvM7, | IvM7,no5 = "one downmajor seven, no five" | ||
^bVIvM,M9 = "up-flat six downmajor, major nine" | ^bVIvM,M9 = "up-flat six downmajor, major nine" | ||
Im7, | Im7,no5 = "one minor seven, no five" | ||
IIvM,m7 = "two downmajor, minor seven" | IIvM,m7 = "two downmajor, minor seven" | ||
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0-4-9 = m | 0-4-9 = m | ||
0-5-9 = M | 0-5-9 = M | ||
0-5-10 = M,A5 (the conventional aug chord) | 0-5-10 = aug or M,A5 (the conventional aug chord) | ||
0-6-9 = | 0-6-9 = A3 (aug 3rd, perfect 5th) | ||
0-7-9 = sus4 | 0-7-9 = sus4 | ||
0-4-8-12 = m,d5,d7 (the conventional dim tetrad) | 0-4-8-12 = m,d5,d7 (the conventional dim tetrad) | ||
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0-5-10-15 = vM7 | 0-5-10-15 = vM7 | ||
0-6-10-16 = M7 | 0-6-10-16 = M7 | ||
19edo: D * * E * F * * G * * A * * B * C * * D, ups and downs not needed. | 19edo: D * * E * F * * G * * A * * B * C * * D, ups and downs not needed. | ||
chord components: P1 d2 m2 M2 d3 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4 d5 P5 d6 m6 M6 d7 m7 M7 A7 | chord components: P1 d2 m2 M2 d3 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4 d5 P5 d6 m6 M6 d7 m7 M7 A7 | ||
chord roots: I v#I/bII #I/vII II bIII vIII III IV ^IV/bV #IV/vV V #V/bVI vVI VI bVII vVII VII | chord roots: I v#I/bII #I/vII II bIII vIII III IV ^IV/bV #IV/vV V #V/bVI vVI VI bVII vVII VII | ||
0-4-11 = d3 (dim 3rd, perfect 5th) | |||
0-4-11 = | 0-4-10 = d3,d5 or dim,d3 | ||
0-4-10 = | |||
0-5-11 = m | 0-5-11 = m | ||
0-5-10 = m,d5 (conventional dim chord) | 0-5-10 = dim or m,d5 (conventional dim chord) | ||
0-6-11 = M | 0-6-11 = M | ||
0-7-11 = | 0-7-11 = A3 (aug 3rd, perfect 5th) | ||
0-6-12 = M,A5 (conventional aug chord) | 0-6-12 = aug or M,A5 (conventional aug chord) | ||
0-7-12 = | 0-7-12 = A3,A5 or aug,A3 | ||
0-8-11 = sus4 | 0-8-11 = sus4 | ||
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0-5-14 = vm | 0-5-14 = vm | ||
0-6-14 = m | 0-6-14 = m | ||
0-7-14 = vM | 0-7-14 = ^m or vM | ||
0-8-14 = M | 0-8-14 = M | ||
0-9-14 = ^M | 0-9-14 = ^M | ||
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0-7-18 = vm | 0-7-18 = vm | ||
0-8-18 = m | 0-8-18 = m | ||
0-9-18 = vM | 0-9-18 = ^m or vM | ||
0-10-18 = M | 0-10-18 = M | ||
0-11-18 = ^M | 0-11-18 = ^M | ||
0-12-18 = | 0-12-18 = susv4 | ||
==**__Cross-EDO considerations__**== | ==**__Cross-EDO considerations__**== | ||
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requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and staff notation | requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and staff notation | ||
11edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards | 11edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, # = ^^ (3/2 maps to 6\11 = perfect 5th): | ||
P1 - m2 - vM2/m3 - M2/^m3 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - vM6/m7 - M6/^m7 - M7 - P8 | P1 - m2 - vM2/m3 - M2/^m3 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - vM6/m7 - M6/^m7 - M7 - P8 | ||
problematic because m3 = 2\11 is narrower than M2 = 3\11 | problematic because m3 = 2\11 is narrower than M2 = 3\11 | ||
11edo nonotonic narrow-fifth-based, | 11edo nonotonic narrow-fifth-based, fifthwards with no ups and downs (3/2 maps to 6\11 = perfect 6th): | ||
nonotonic | nonotonic fifthwards chain of sixths: | ||
M2 - M7 - M3 - M8 - M4 - M9 - P5 - P1 - P6 - m2 - m7 - m3 - m8 - m4 - m9 - d5 etc. | M2 - M7 - M3 - M8 - M4 - M9 - P5 - P1 - P6 - m2 - m7 - m3 - m8 - m4 - m9 - d5 etc. | ||
P1 m2 M2/m3 M3/m4 M4 P5 P6 m7 M7/m8 M8/m9 M9 P8 | P1 m2 M2/m3 M3/m4 M4 P5 P6 m7 M7/m8 M8/m9 M9 P8 | ||
requires learning nonotonic interval arithmetic and staff notation | requires learning nonotonic interval arithmetic and staff notation | ||
11edo pentatonic wide-fifth-based, fifthwards | 11edo pentatonic wide-fifth-based, fifthwards, # = ^^ (3/2 maps to 7\11 6th): | ||
P1 - ms3 - ^ms3/vMs3 - Ms3 - P4d - ^P4d/d5d - A4d/vP5d - P5d - ms7 - ^ms7/vMs7 - Ms7 - P8d | P1 - ms3 - ^ms3/vMs3 - Ms3 - P4d - ^P4d/d5d - A4d/vP5d - P5d - ms7 - ^ms7/vMs7 - Ms7 - P8d | ||
pentatonic plus ups and downs is doubly confusing! | pentatonic plus ups and downs is doubly confusing! | ||
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requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and notation | requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and notation | ||
13edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, | 13edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, # = ^^^ (3/2 maps to 7\13 = perfect 5th): | ||
P1 - m2 - m3 - vM2/^m3 - M2 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - m7 - vM6/^m7 - M6 - M7 - P8 | P1 - m2 - m3 - vM2/^m3 - M2 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - m7 - vM6/^m7 - M6 - M7 - P8 | ||
problematic because m3 = 2\13 is narrower than M2 = 4\13 | problematic because m3 = 2\13 is narrower than M2 = 4\13 | ||
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(13edo octatonic wide-fifth-based, fourthwards) | (13edo octatonic wide-fifth-based, fourthwards) | ||
18edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, | 18edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, # = ^^ (3/2 maps to 10\18 = perfect 5th) | ||
P1 - vm2 - m2 - vM2 - M2/m3 - vM3 - M3 - ^M3 - P4 - ^P4/vP5 - P5 - vm6 - m6 - vM6 - M6/m7 - vM7 - M7 - ^M7 - P8 | P1 - vm2 - m2 - vM2 - M2/m3 - vM3 - M3 - ^M3 - P4 - ^P4/vP5 - P5 - vm6 - m6 - vM6 - M6/m7 - vM7 - M7 - ^M7 - P8 | ||
fourthwards plus ups and downs is doubly confusing! | fourthwards plus ups and downs is doubly confusing! | ||
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These are pronounced &quot;downmajor second&quot;, &quot;upminor third&quot;, etc. For 4ths and 5ths, &quot;perfect&quot; is implied and can be omitted: ^P4 = &quot;up-four&quot; and vP5 = &quot;down-five&quot;. In larger edos there may be &quot;down-octave&quot;, &quot;up-unison&quot;, etc.<br /> | These are pronounced &quot;downmajor second&quot;, &quot;upminor third&quot;, etc. For 4ths and 5ths, &quot;perfect&quot; is implied and can be omitted: ^P4 = &quot;up-four&quot; and vP5 = &quot;down-five&quot;. In larger edos there may be &quot;down-octave&quot;, &quot;up-unison&quot;, etc.<br /> | ||
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0-7-13-18 in C is &quot;C,vM,m7&quot;, pronounced &quot;C downmajor, minor seventh&quot;. The comma between the C and the down symbol is needed because Cv is a note, and &quot;Cv,M,m7&quot; is a different chord. That chord is pronounced &quot;C down, major, minor 7th&quot;, so one has to &quot;speak the comma&quot;. The extra comma isn't needed | 0-7-13-18 in C is &quot;C,vM,m7&quot;, pronounced &quot;C downmajor, minor seventh&quot;. The comma between the C and the down symbol is needed because Cv is a note, and &quot;Cv,M,m7&quot; is a different chord. That chord is pronounced &quot;C down, major, minor 7th&quot;, so one has to &quot;speak the comma&quot;. The extra comma isn't needed if there's no ups or downs immediately after the note name, e.g. Cm.<br /> | ||
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The conventional chord naming system uses a lot of &quot;shorthand&quot; like dom7 for M3,m7 and min6 for m3,M6. This causes problems in 22edo where there are so many choices for the 3rd, the 6th, the 7th and the 9th. For example, min6 could mean m3,vM6 = approximate 6:7:9:10 chord, or it could mean ^m3,M6 = approximate 1/1-6/5-3/2-12/7 chord. Larger edos would present even greater problems. Furthermore there's some ambiguity in the shorthand, e.g. in 12edo, both 0-3-6 and 0-3-6-9 are called dim chords.<br /> | The conventional chord naming system uses a lot of &quot;shorthand&quot; like dom7 for M3,m7 and min6 for m3,M6. This causes problems in 22edo where there are so many choices for the 3rd, the 6th, the 7th and the 9th. For example, min6 could mean m3,vM6 = approximate 6:7:9:10 chord, or it could mean ^m3,M6 = approximate 1/1-6/5-3/2-12/7 chord. Larger edos would present even greater problems. Furthermore there's some ambiguity in the shorthand, e.g. in 12edo, both 0-3-6 and 0-3-6-9 are called dim chords.<br /> | ||
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Thus the shorthand should be largely abandoned and all the components of the chord should be explicitly spelled out, with a few exceptions: 1) The root, obviously. 2) The perfect 5th is assumed present unless otherwise specified. Thus 0-7-18 is C,vM,m7,no5 and 0-6-11 is C,^m,^d5. 3) The 3rd is also assumed to be present, and to be major, and is implied by a quality with no degree. Thus 0-8-13 is C and 0-7-13 is C,vM. 4) The 3rd isn't spelled out if the 6th or 7th has the same quality as the 3rd. Thus 0-7-13-16 is C,vM6, but 0-7-13-17 is C,vM,M6. Thirdless chords: 0-13-18 is either Cm7,no3 or C5,m7.<br /> | Thus the shorthand should be largely abandoned and all the components of the chord should be explicitly spelled out, with a few exceptions: 1) The root, obviously. 2) The perfect 5th is assumed present unless otherwise specified. Thus 0-7-18 is C,vM,m7,no5 and 0-6-11 is C,^m,^d5. 3) The 3rd is also assumed to be present, and to be major, and is implied by a quality with no degree. Thus 0-8-13 is C and 0-7-13 is C,vM. 4) The 3rd isn't spelled out if the 6th or 7th has the same quality as the 3rd. Thus 0-7-13-16 is C,vM6, but 0-7-13-17 is C,vM,M6. Thirdless chords: 0-13-18 is either Cm7,no3 or C5,m7.<br /> | ||
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The 6th, the 7th, the 9th, the 11th, etc. are each explicitly written out, and assumed to be major or perfect. Thus the presence of a 9th doesn't imply the presence of a 7th.<br /> | The 6th, the 7th, the 9th, the 11th, etc. are each explicitly written out, and assumed to be major or perfect, except that the 7th is assumed to be minor. Thus the presence of a 9th doesn't imply the presence of a 7th.<br /> | ||
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Sus chords: as usual, &quot;sus&quot; means the 3rd is replaced by the named note, a 2nd or 4th. &quot;Sus4&quot; implies a perfect 4th, and other 4ths are specified explicitly as sus^4 for an up-fourth, etc. Some larger edos would have susv4, susvv4, etc. &quot;Sus2&quot; implies a major 2nd. In most edos, this M2 is always a perfect 4th below the perfect 5th, implying an approximate 8:9:12 chord. See the fourthwards EDOs below for an exception.<br /> | Sus chords: as usual, &quot;sus&quot; means the 3rd is replaced by the named note, a 2nd or 4th. &quot;Sus4&quot; implies a perfect 4th, and other 4ths are specified explicitly as sus^4 for an up-fourth, etc. Some larger edos would have susv4, susvv4, etc. &quot;Sus2&quot; implies a major 2nd. In most edos, this M2 is always a perfect 4th below the perfect 5th, implying an approximate 8:9:12 chord. See the fourthwards EDOs below for an exception.<br /> | ||
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&quot;Aug&quot; and &quot;dim&quot; chords: many of the larger EDOs have an aug 3rd distinct from the perfect 4th, and a dim 3rd distinct from the major 2nd. An A3,P5 chord is A3 = &quot;aug three chord&quot;, not &quot;aug chord&quot;, to distinguish it from the conventional aug chord M3,A5. That chord | &quot;Aug&quot; and &quot;dim&quot; chords: many of the larger EDOs have an aug 3rd distinct from the perfect 4th, and a dim 3rd distinct from the major 2nd. An A3,P5 chord is A3 = &quot;aug three chord&quot;, not &quot;aug chord&quot;, to distinguish it from the conventional aug chord M3,A5. That chord is still called an aug chord, or more exactly a &quot;major, aug five&quot; chord. Likewise d3,P5 is a &quot;dim three chord&quot;, and m3,d5 is a &quot;dim&quot; chord, or &quot;minor, dim five&quot; chord.<br /> | ||
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0-5-13 = m<br /> | 0-5-13 = m<br /> | ||
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0-6-11-15 = ^m6,^d5<br /> | 0-6-11-15 = ^m6,^d5<br /> | ||
0-7-13-16 = vM6<br /> | 0-7-13-16 = vM6<br /> | ||
0-8-13-17 = | 0-8-13-17 = 6<br /> | ||
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0-5-13-18 = m7<br /> | 0-5-13-18 = m7<br /> | ||
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You can write out chord progressions using the ups/downs notation for note names. Here's the first 4 chords of Paul Erlich's 22edo composition Tibia:<br /> | You can write out chord progressions using the ups/downs notation for note names. Here's the first 4 chords of Paul Erlich's 22edo composition Tibia:<br /> | ||
G,vM7, | G,vM7,no5 = &quot;G downmajor seven, no five&quot;&quot;<br /> | ||
Eb^,vM,M9 = &quot;E flat up, downmajor, major nine&quot;<br /> | Eb^,vM,M9 = &quot;E flat up, downmajor, major nine&quot;<br /> | ||
Gm7, | Gm7,no5 (no comma needed) = &quot;G minor seven, no five&quot;<br /> | ||
A,vM,m7 = &quot;A downmajor, minor seven&quot;<br /> | A,vM,m7 = &quot;A downmajor, minor seven&quot;<br /> | ||
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Here's the Tibia chords. No comma is needed after the root because ups and downs are always leading, never trailing.<br /> | Here's the Tibia chords. No comma is needed after the root because ups and downs are always leading, never trailing.<br /> | ||
IvM7, | IvM7,no5 = &quot;one downmajor seven, no five&quot;<br /> | ||
^bVIvM,M9 = &quot;up-flat six downmajor, major nine&quot;<br /> | ^bVIvM,M9 = &quot;up-flat six downmajor, major nine&quot;<br /> | ||
Im7, | Im7,no5 = &quot;one minor seven, no five&quot;<br /> | ||
IIvM,m7 = &quot;two downmajor, minor seven&quot;<br /> | IIvM,m7 = &quot;two downmajor, minor seven&quot;<br /> | ||
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0-4-9 = m<br /> | 0-4-9 = m<br /> | ||
0-5-9 = M<br /> | 0-5-9 = M<br /> | ||
0-5-10 = M,A5 (the conventional aug chord)<br /> | 0-5-10 = aug or M,A5 (the conventional aug chord)<br /> | ||
0-6-9 = | 0-6-9 = A3 (aug 3rd, perfect 5th)<br /> | ||
0-7-9 = sus4<br /> | 0-7-9 = sus4<br /> | ||
0-4-8-12 = m,d5,d7 (the conventional dim tetrad)<br /> | 0-4-8-12 = m,d5,d7 (the conventional dim tetrad)<br /> | ||
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0-5-10-15 = vM7<br /> | 0-5-10-15 = vM7<br /> | ||
0-6-10-16 = M7<br /> | 0-6-10-16 = M7<br /> | ||
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19edo: D * * E * F * * G * * A * * B * C * * D, ups and downs not needed.<br /> | 19edo: D * * E * F * * G * * A * * B * C * * D, ups and downs not needed.<br /> | ||
chord components: P1 d2 m2 M2 d3 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4 d5 P5 d6 m6 M6 d7 m7 M7 A7<br /> | chord components: P1 d2 m2 M2 d3 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4 d5 P5 d6 m6 M6 d7 m7 M7 A7<br /> | ||
chord roots: I v#I/bII #I/vII II bIII vIII III IV ^IV/bV #IV/vV V #V/bVI vVI VI bVII vVII VII<br /> | chord roots: I v#I/bII #I/vII II bIII vIII III IV ^IV/bV #IV/vV V #V/bVI vVI VI bVII vVII VII<br /> | ||
0-4-11 = d3 (dim 3rd, perfect 5th)<br /> | |||
0-4-11 = | 0-4-10 = d3,d5 or dim,d3<br /> | ||
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0-5-11 = m<br /> | 0-5-11 = m<br /> | ||
0-5-10 = m,d5 (conventional dim chord)<br /> | 0-5-10 = dim or m,d5 (conventional dim chord)<br /> | ||
0-6-11 = M<br /> | 0-6-11 = M<br /> | ||
0-7-11 = | 0-7-11 = A3 (aug 3rd, perfect 5th)<br /> | ||
0-6-12 = M,A5 (conventional aug chord)<br /> | 0-6-12 = aug or M,A5 (conventional aug chord)<br /> | ||
0-7-12 = | 0-7-12 = A3,A5 or aug,A3<br /> | ||
0-8-11 = sus4<br /> | 0-8-11 = sus4<br /> | ||
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0-5-14 = vm<br /> | 0-5-14 = vm<br /> | ||
0-6-14 = m<br /> | 0-6-14 = m<br /> | ||
0-7-14 = vM<br /> | 0-7-14 = ^m or vM<br /> | ||
0-8-14 = M<br /> | 0-8-14 = M<br /> | ||
0-9-14 = ^M<br /> | 0-9-14 = ^M<br /> | ||
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0-7-18 = vm<br /> | 0-7-18 = vm<br /> | ||
0-8-18 = m<br /> | 0-8-18 = m<br /> | ||
0-9-18 = vM<br /> | 0-9-18 = ^m or vM<br /> | ||
0-10-18 = M<br /> | 0-10-18 = M<br /> | ||
0-11-18 = ^M<br /> | 0-11-18 = ^M<br /> | ||
0-12-18 = | 0-12-18 = susv4<br /> | ||
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Not counting the trivial edos 2, 3, 4 and 6, there are only seven such edos. As seen in this diagram, they are the ones to the left of the central line in the light blue region, plus the ones to the right of the central line in the orange region. The ones on the left edge of the blue region are the fourthward ones like 16edo, and have been dealt with already. 23edo can be notated similarly to 16edo by using a fifth of 13\23 instead of 14\23. That leaves only four edos: 8, 11, 13, and 18.<br /> | Not counting the trivial edos 2, 3, 4 and 6, there are only seven such edos. As seen in this diagram, they are the ones to the left of the central line in the light blue region, plus the ones to the right of the central line in the orange region. The ones on the left edge of the blue region are the fourthward ones like 16edo, and have been dealt with already. 23edo can be notated similarly to 16edo by using a fifth of 13\23 instead of 14\23. That leaves only four edos: 8, 11, 13, and 18.<br /> | ||
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requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and staff notation<br /> | requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and staff notation<br /> | ||
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11edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards | 11edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, # <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:12:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc6"><a name="x^^ (3/2 maps to 6\11"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:12 --> ^^ (3/2 maps to 6\11 </h1> | ||
perfect 5th):<br /> | |||
P1 - m2 - vM2/m3 - M2/^m3 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - vM6/m7 - M6/^m7 - M7 - P8<br /> | P1 - m2 - vM2/m3 - M2/^m3 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - vM6/m7 - M6/^m7 - M7 - P8<br /> | ||
problematic because m3 = 2\11 is narrower than M2 = 3\11<br /> | problematic because m3 = 2\11 is narrower than M2 = 3\11<br /> | ||
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11edo nonotonic narrow-fifth-based, | 11edo nonotonic narrow-fifth-based, fifthwards with no ups and downs (3/2 maps to 6\11 = perfect 6th):<br /> | ||
nonotonic | nonotonic fifthwards chain of sixths:<br /> | ||
M2 - M7 - M3 - M8 - M4 - M9 - P5 - P1 - P6 - m2 - m7 - m3 - m8 - m4 - m9 - d5 etc.<br /> | M2 - M7 - M3 - M8 - M4 - M9 - P5 - P1 - P6 - m2 - m7 - m3 - m8 - m4 - m9 - d5 etc.<br /> | ||
P1 m2 M2/m3 M3/m4 M4 P5 P6 m7 M7/m8 M8/m9 M9 P8<br /> | P1 m2 M2/m3 M3/m4 M4 P5 P6 m7 M7/m8 M8/m9 M9 P8<br /> | ||
requires learning nonotonic interval arithmetic and staff notation<br /> | requires learning nonotonic interval arithmetic and staff notation<br /> | ||
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11edo pentatonic wide-fifth-based, fifthwards | 11edo pentatonic wide-fifth-based, fifthwards, # = ^^ (3/2 maps to 7\11 6th):<br /> | ||
P1 - ms3 - ^ms3/vMs3 - Ms3 - P4d - ^P4d/d5d - A4d/vP5d - P5d - ms7 - ^ms7/vMs7 - Ms7 - P8d<br /> | P1 - ms3 - ^ms3/vMs3 - Ms3 - P4d - ^P4d/d5d - A4d/vP5d - P5d - ms7 - ^ms7/vMs7 - Ms7 - P8d<br /> | ||
pentatonic plus ups and downs is doubly confusing!<br /> | pentatonic plus ups and downs is doubly confusing!<br /> | ||
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requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and notation<br /> | requires learning octatonic interval arithmetic and notation<br /> | ||
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13edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, 3 | 13edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, # <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:14:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc7"><a name="x^^^ (3/2 maps to 7\13"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:14 --> ^^^ (3/2 maps to 7\13 </h1> | ||
perfect 5th):<br /> | |||
P1 - m2 - m3 - vM2/^m3 - M2 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - m7 - vM6/^m7 - M6 - M7 - P8<br /> | P1 - m2 - m3 - vM2/^m3 - M2 - M3 - P4 - P5 - m6 - m7 - vM6/^m7 - M6 - M7 - P8<br /> | ||
problematic because m3 = 2\13 is narrower than M2 = 4\13<br /> | problematic because m3 = 2\13 is narrower than M2 = 4\13<br /> | ||
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(13edo octatonic wide-fifth-based, fourthwards)<br /> | (13edo octatonic wide-fifth-based, fourthwards)<br /> | ||
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18edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, 2 | 18edo heptatonic narrow-fifth-based, fourthwards, # <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:16:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc8"><a name="x^^ (3/2 maps to 10\18"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:16 --> ^^ (3/2 maps to 10\18 </h1> | ||
perfect 5th)<br /> | |||
P1 - vm2 - m2 - vM2 - M2/m3 - vM3 - M3 - ^M3 - P4 - ^P4/vP5 - P5 - vm6 - m6 - vM6 - M6/m7 - vM7 - M7 - ^M7 - P8<br /> | P1 - vm2 - m2 - vM2 - M2/m3 - vM3 - M3 - ^M3 - P4 - ^P4/vP5 - P5 - vm6 - m6 - vM6 - M6/m7 - vM7 - M7 - ^M7 - P8<br /> | ||
fourthwards plus ups and downs is doubly confusing!<br /> | fourthwards plus ups and downs is doubly confusing!<br /> | ||
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Besides the trivial EDOs, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6, which can be notated with standard notation as a subset of 12-EDO, there are five EDO categories, based on the size of the fifth:<br /> | Besides the trivial EDOs, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6, which can be notated with standard notation as a subset of 12-EDO, there are five EDO categories, based on the size of the fifth:<br /> | ||
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The C-D interval is the major 2nd (P2 for perfect EDOs, m2 for fourthward EDOs).<br /> | The C-D interval is the major 2nd (P2 for perfect EDOs, m2 for fourthward EDOs).<br /> | ||
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<strong><u>8edo</u>:</strong> (generator = 1\8 = perfect 2nd = 150¢)<br /> | <strong><u>8edo</u>:</strong> (generator = 1\8 = perfect 2nd = 150¢)<br /> | ||
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E# - G# - B# - D# - F# - A# - C# - E - G - B - D - F - A - C - Eb - Gb - Bb - Db - Fb - Ab - Cb<br /> | E# - G# - B# - D# - F# - A# - C# - E - G - B - D - F - A - C - Eb - Gb - Bb - Db - Fb - Ab - Cb<br /> | ||
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All three EDOs use the same pentatonic fifthwards chain of fifths: ms3 - ms7 - P4d - P1 - P5d - Ms3 - Ms7 - A4d etc.<br /> | All three EDOs use the same pentatonic fifthwards chain of fifths: ms3 - ms7 - P4d - P1 - P5d - Ms3 - Ms7 - A4d etc.<br /> | ||
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All fourthwards EDOs use the same chain of fifths: M2 - M6 - M3 - M7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - m2 - m6 - m3 - m7 - A4 etc.<br /> | All fourthwards EDOs use the same chain of fifths: M2 - M6 - M3 - M7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - m2 - m6 - m3 - m7 - A4 etc.<br /> | ||
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All perfect EDOs use the same chain of fifths: P2 - P6 - P3 - P7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - P2 - P6 - P3 - P7 etc.<br /> | All perfect EDOs use the same chain of fifths: P2 - P6 - P3 - P7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - P2 - P6 - P3 - P7 etc.<br /> | ||
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All pentatonic EDOs use the usual chain of fifths: m2 - m6 - m3 - m7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - M2 - M6 - M3 - M7 etc.<br /> | All pentatonic EDOs use the usual chain of fifths: m2 - m6 - m3 - m7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - M2 - M6 - M3 - M7 etc.<br /> | ||
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P1/m2 - ^m2 - ^^m2 - vvM2 - vM2 - M2/m3 - ^m3 - ^^m3 - vvM3 - vM3 - M3/P4 - ^P4 - ^^P4 - vvP5 - vP5 - P5/m6 - ^m6 - ^^m6 - vvM6 - vM6 - M6/m7 - ^m7 - ^^m7 - vvM7 - vM7 - P8<br /> | P1/m2 - ^m2 - ^^m2 - vvM2 - vM2 - M2/m3 - ^m3 - ^^m3 - vvM3 - vM3 - M3/P4 - ^P4 - ^^P4 - vvP5 - vP5 - P5/m6 - ^m6 - ^^m6 - vvM6 - vM6 - M6/m7 - ^m7 - ^^m7 - vvM7 - vM7 - P8<br /> | ||
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Pentatonic fourthwards chain of fifthoids: Ms3 - Ms7 - P4d - P1 - P5d - ms3 - ms7 - d4d etc.<br /> | Pentatonic fourthwards chain of fifthoids: Ms3 - Ms7 - P4d - P1 - P5d - ms3 - ms7 - d4d etc.<br /> | ||
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All sweet EDOs use the usual chain of fifths: m2 - m6 - m3 - m7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - M2 - M6 - M3 - M7 etc.<br /> | All sweet EDOs use the usual chain of fifths: m2 - m6 - m3 - m7 - P4 - P1 - P5 - M2 - M6 - M3 - M7 etc.<br /> | ||