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Cb Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E#
Cb Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E#


and then wrap it into a circle of the desired size (image forthcoming!). If you do this with 17, you will notice that Cb = A#...that's how big the value of "flat/sharp" is in 17. The closer two notes are in the circle, the more familiar to us their harmonic function.
and then wrap it into a circle of the desired size. If you do this with 17, you will notice that Cb = A#...that's how big the value of "flat/sharp" is in 17. The closer two notes are in the circle, the more familiar to us their harmonic function.


[[image:space/showimage/17fifths]]
[[image:17fifths]][[image:space/showimage/17fifths]]
The lines across indicate five fifths ("minor second") (1/17 of an octave). Now we can order them ascendingly:
The lines across indicate five fifths ("minor second") (1/17 of an octave). Now we can order them ascendingly:
[[image:space/showimage/17versus12names]]
 
[[image:17versus12names width="1" height="1"]][[image:17versus12names]]


Note that C# is HIGHER than Db; note that none of the intervals save the octave/unison are exactly the same as in 12. Note that The "half step"/"minor second" in 17 is twice as small as the "augmented unison"/"sharp"/"flat." Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two "neutral thirds" add up to a "perfect fifth." These last two properties are shared with 24-equal (quartertones).
Note that C# is HIGHER than Db; note that none of the intervals save the octave/unison are exactly the same as in 12. Note that The "half step"/"minor second" in 17 is twice as small as the "augmented unison"/"sharp"/"flat." Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two "neutral thirds" add up to a "perfect fifth." These last two properties are shared with 24-equal (quartertones).


If the old notation is bothering you, here it is in cents (hundredths of a 12-equal half step):[[image:space/showimage/17versus12cents]]
If the old notation is bothering you, here it is in cents (hundredths of a 12-equal half step):
 
[[image:17versus12cents]]
and in pitch/interval classes:
and in pitch/interval classes:
[[image:space/showimage/17versus12pcs]]</pre></div>
 
[[image:17versus12pcs]][[image:17versus12pcs width="1" height="1"]]</pre></div>
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Cb Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E#&lt;br /&gt;
Cb Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E#&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
and then wrap it into a circle of the desired size (image forthcoming!). If you do this with 17, you will notice that Cb = A#...that's how big the value of &amp;quot;flat/sharp&amp;quot; is in 17. The closer two notes are in the circle, the more familiar to us their harmonic function.&lt;br /&gt;
and then wrap it into a circle of the desired size. If you do this with 17, you will notice that Cb = A#...that's how big the value of &amp;quot;flat/sharp&amp;quot; is in 17. The closer two notes are in the circle, the more familiar to us their harmonic function.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:space/showimage/17fifths]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The lines across indicate five fifths (&amp;quot;minor second&amp;quot;) (1/17 of an octave). Now we can order them ascendingly:&lt;br /&gt;
The lines across indicate five fifths (&amp;quot;minor second&amp;quot;) (1/17 of an octave). Now we can order them ascendingly:&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:space/showimage/17versus12names]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Note that C# is HIGHER than Db; note that none of the intervals save the octave/unison are exactly the same as in 12. Note that The &amp;quot;half step&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;minor second&amp;quot; in 17 is twice as small as the &amp;quot;augmented unison&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;sharp&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;flat.&amp;quot; Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two &amp;quot;neutral thirds&amp;quot; add up to a &amp;quot;perfect fifth.&amp;quot; These last two properties are shared with 24-equal (quartertones).&lt;br /&gt;
Note that C# is HIGHER than Db; note that none of the intervals save the octave/unison are exactly the same as in 12. Note that The &amp;quot;half step&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;minor second&amp;quot; in 17 is twice as small as the &amp;quot;augmented unison&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;sharp&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;flat.&amp;quot; Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two &amp;quot;neutral thirds&amp;quot; add up to a &amp;quot;perfect fifth.&amp;quot; These last two properties are shared with 24-equal (quartertones).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If the old notation is bothering you, here it is in cents (hundredths of a 12-equal half step):[[image:space/showimage/17versus12cents]]&lt;br /&gt;
If the old notation is bothering you, here it is in cents (hundredths of a 12-equal half step):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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and in pitch/interval classes:&lt;br /&gt;
and in pitch/interval classes:&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:space/showimage/17versus12pcs]]&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
&lt;br /&gt;
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17-tone equal tuning has fifths very close to just-intonation (and 12-equal) fifths. Consequently we use the usual circle-of-fifths on a five-line-staff notation, with a twist of new enharmonics, caused by the accumulation of the difference in the size of the fifth. To figure out the enharmonic names of any closed circle of fifths, write out a portion of it, like:

Cb Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E#

and then wrap it into a circle of the desired size. If you do this with 17, you will notice that Cb = A#...that's how big the value of "flat/sharp" is in 17. The closer two notes are in the circle, the more familiar to us their harmonic function.

[[image:17fifths]][[image:space/showimage/17fifths]]
The lines across indicate five fifths ("minor second") (1/17 of an octave). Now we can order them ascendingly:

[[image:17versus12names width="1" height="1"]][[image:17versus12names]]

Note that C# is HIGHER than Db; note that none of the intervals save the octave/unison are exactly the same as in 12. Note that The "half step"/"minor second" in 17 is twice as small as the "augmented unison"/"sharp"/"flat." Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two "neutral thirds" add up to a "perfect fifth." These last two properties are shared with 24-equal (quartertones).

If the old notation is bothering you, here it is in cents (hundredths of a 12-equal half step):

[[image:17versus12cents]]
and in pitch/interval classes:

[[image:17versus12pcs]][[image:17versus12pcs width="1" height="1"]]

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<html><head><title>SeventeenTheory</title></head><body>17-tone equal tuning has fifths very close to just-intonation (and 12-equal) fifths. Consequently we use the usual circle-of-fifths on a five-line-staff notation, with a twist of new enharmonics, caused by the accumulation of the difference in the size of the fifth. To figure out the enharmonic names of any closed circle of fifths, write out a portion of it, like:<br />
<br />
Cb Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E#<br />
<br />
and then wrap it into a circle of the desired size. If you do this with 17, you will notice that Cb = A#...that's how big the value of &quot;flat/sharp&quot; is in 17. The closer two notes are in the circle, the more familiar to us their harmonic function.<br />
<br />
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The lines across indicate five fifths (&quot;minor second&quot;) (1/17 of an octave). Now we can order them ascendingly:<br />
<br />
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<br />
Note that C# is HIGHER than Db; note that none of the intervals save the octave/unison are exactly the same as in 12. Note that The &quot;half step&quot;/&quot;minor second&quot; in 17 is twice as small as the &quot;augmented unison&quot;/&quot;sharp&quot;/&quot;flat.&quot; Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two &quot;neutral thirds&quot; add up to a &quot;perfect fifth.&quot; These last two properties are shared with 24-equal (quartertones).<br />
<br />
If the old notation is bothering you, here it is in cents (hundredths of a 12-equal half step):<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextLocalImageRule:3:&lt;img src=&quot;/file/view/17versus12cents/30122071/17versus12cents&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; title=&quot;&quot; /&gt; --><img src="/file/view/17versus12cents/30122071/17versus12cents" alt="17versus12cents" title="17versus12cents" /><!-- ws:end:WikiTextLocalImageRule:3 --><br />
and in pitch/interval classes:<br />
<br />
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