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: This revision was by author [[User:TallKite|TallKite]] and made on <tt>2018-07-04 00:48:56 UTC</tt>.<br>
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||~ EDO ||~ Period ||||||||||||||||||~ Generator in edosteps ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||
||~ EDO ||~ Period ||||||||||||||||||~ Generator in edosteps ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||
||~  ||~   ||~ 1 ||~ 2 ||~ 3 ||~ 4 ||~ 5 ||~ 6 ||~ 7 ||~ 8 ||~ 9 ||~ 10 ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||
||~  ||~ in edosteps ||~ 1 ||~ 2 ||~ 3 ||~ 4 ||~ 5 ||~ 6 ||~ 7 ||~ 8 ||~ 9 ||~ 10 ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||
||~ 5 ||~ 5 = P8 ||= P4/2 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 5 ||~ 5 = P8 ||= P4/2 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 6 ||~ 6 = P8 ||= P4/2 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 6 ||~ 6 = P8 ||= P4/2 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
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||~ 9 ||~ 9 = P8 ||= P4/4 ||= P4/2 ||= - ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 9 ||~ 9 = P8 ||= P4/4 ||= P4/2 ||= - ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/3 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/3 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 10 ||~ 10 = P8 ||= P4/4 ||= - ||= P5/2 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 10 ||~ 10 = P8 ||= P4/4 ||= - ||= P5/2 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 5 = P8/2 ||= P5 ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 5 = P8/2 ||= P5 ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 11 ||~ 11 = P8 ||= P4/5 ||= P5/3 ||= P5/2 ||= P11/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 11 ||~ 11 = P8 ||= P4/5 ||= P5/3 ||= P5/2 ||= P11/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
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||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 13b ||~ 13 = P8 ||= P4/6 ||= P4/3 ||= P4/2 ||= P12/5 ||= P12/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 13b ||~ 13 = P8 ||= P4/6 ||= P4/3 ||= P4/2 ||= P12/5 ||= P12/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 14 ||~ 14 = P8 ||= P4/6 ||= - ||= P4/2 ||= - ||= P11/4 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 14 ||~ 14 = P8 ||= P4/6 ||= - ||= P4/2 ||= - ||= P11/4 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 7 = P8/2 ||= P5 ||= P4/3 ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 7 = P8/2 ||= P5 ||= P4/3 ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 15 ||~ 15 = P8 ||= P4/6 ||= P4/3 ||= - ||= P12/6 ||= - ||= - ||= P11/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 15 ||~ 15 = P8 ||= P4/6 ||= P4/3 ||= - ||= P12/6 ||= - ||= - ||= P11/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 5 = P8/3 ||= P5 ||= P4/2
||~ " ||~ 5 = P8/3 ||= P5 ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
P4/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/5 ||= P4/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/5 ||= P4/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 16 ||~ 16 = P8 ||= P4/7 ||= - ||= P5/3 ||= - ||= P12/5 ||= - ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 16 ||~ 16 = P8 ||= P4/7 ||= - ||= P5/3 ||= - ||= P12/5 ||= - ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
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||~ 18b ||~ 18 = P8 ||= P4/8 ||= - ||= - ||= - ||= P5/2 ||= - ||= P12/4 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 18b ||~ 18 = P8 ||= P4/8 ||= - ||= - ||= - ||= P5/2 ||= - ||= P12/4 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 9 = P8/2 ||= P5 ||= P4/4 ||= - ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 9 = P8/2 ||= P5 ||= P4/4 ||= - ||= P4/2 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 6 = P8/3 ||= P12/4 ||= - ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 6 = P8/3 ||= P5/2 ||= - ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/6 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/6 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 19 ||~ 19 = P8 ||= P4/8 ||= P4/4 ||= P11/9 ||= P4/2 ||= P12/6 ||= P12/5 ||= WWP5/7 ||= P5 ||= P11/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 19 ||~ 19 = P8 ||= P4/8 ||= P4/4 ||= P11/9 ||= P4/2 ||= P12/6 ||= P12/5 ||= WWP5/7 ||= P5 ||= P11/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 20 ||~ 20 = P8 ||= P4/8 ||= - ||= WWP4/16 ||= - ||= - ||= - ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;P5/16 ||= - ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;P5/8 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 20 ||~ 20 = P8 ||= P4/8 ||= - ||= P5/4 ||= - ||= - ||= - ||= P11/4 ||= - ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;P5/8 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 10 = P8/2 ||= M2/4 ||= - ||= P5/4 ||= - ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 10 = P8/2 ||= M2/4 ||= - ||= P5/4 ||= - ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 5 = P8/4 ||= P5/3 ||= P4/4 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 5 = P8/4 ||= P4/2 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 4 = P8/5 ||= P5/4 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 4 = P8/5 ||= P5/4 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 21 ||~ 21 = P8 ||= P4/9 ||= P5/6 ||= - ||= P5/3 ||= P11/6 ||= - ||= - ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;P4/9 ||= - ||= P11/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 21 ||~ 21 = P8 ||= P4/9 ||= P5/6 ||= - ||= P5/3 ||= P11/6 ||= - ||= - ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;P4/9 ||= - ||= P11/3 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
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||~ " ||~ 4 = P8/6 ||= P4/2 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 4 = P8/6 ||= P4/2 ||= - ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/8 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ " ||~ 3 = P8/8 ||= P5 ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||=  ||
||~ 31 ||~ 31 = P8 ||= P4/13 ||= P5/9 ||= P5/6 ||= P11/11 ||= WW
||~ 31 ||~ 31 = P8 ||= P4/13 ||= P5/9 ||= P5/6 ||= P11/11 ||= WWP4/15 ||= P5/3 ||= P12/7 ||= WWP5/10 ||= P5/2 ||= WWP5/8 ||= P11/4 ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;P4/14 ||= P5 ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;
P4/15 ||= P5/3 ||= P12/7 ||= WW
P5/10 ||= P5/2 ||= WW
P5/8 ||= P11/4 ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;
P4/14 ||= P5 ||= W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;
P4/12 ||= WW
P4/12 ||= WW
P4/5 ||
P4/5 ||
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         &lt;th&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;in edosteps&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;1&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;1&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/2&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/4&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P4/2&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P4/2&lt;br /&gt;
P4/3&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;th&gt;6 = P8/3&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;6 = P8/3&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P12/4&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WWP4/16&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;P5/16&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;th&gt;5 = P8/4&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;th&gt;5 = P8/4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/th&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/3&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P4/2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P4/4&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/11&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/11&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WW&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WWP4/15&lt;br /&gt;
P4/15&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/3&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/3&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P12/7&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P12/7&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WW&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WWP5/10&lt;br /&gt;
P5/10&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/2&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5/2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WW&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;WWP5/8&lt;br /&gt;
P5/8&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/4&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P11/4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;W&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;P4/14&lt;br /&gt;
P4/14&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;P5&lt;br /&gt;
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  &lt;br /&gt;
  &lt;br /&gt;
Alt-pergenLister lists out thousands of rank-2 pergens, and suggests periods, generators and enharmonics for each one. Alternate enharmonics are not listed, but single-pair notation for false-double pergens is. It can also list only those pergens supported by a specific edo or edo pair. Written in Jesusonic, runs inside Reaper.&lt;br /&gt;
Alt-pergenLister lists out thousands of rank-2 pergens, and suggests periods, generators and enharmonics for each one. Alternate enharmonics are not listed, but single-pair notation for false-double pergens is. It can also list only those pergens supported by a specific edo or edo pair. Written in Jesusonic, runs inside Reaper.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first section (PERGEN and Per/Gen cents) describes each pergen without regard to notational issues. The period and generator's cents are given, assuming a 5th of 700¢ + c. The generator is reduced, e.g. (P8/2, P5) has a generator of 100¢ + c, not 700¢ + c. The next two sections show a possible notation for P and G. The last section shows the unreduced pergen, and for false doubles, a possible single-pair notation. Horizontal lines group the pergens into blocks (half-splits, third-splits, etc). Red indicates problems. Generators of 50¢ or less are in red. Enharmonics of a 3rd or more are in red.&lt;br /&gt;
The first section (PERGEN and Per/Gen cents) describes each pergen without regard to notational issues. The period and generator's cents are given, assuming a 5th of 700¢ + c. The generator is reduced, e.g. (P8/2, P5) has a generator of 100¢ + c, not 700¢ + c. The next two sections show a possible notation for P and G. The last section shows the unreduced pergen, and for false doubles, a possible single-pair notation. Horizontal lines group the pergens into blocks (half-splits, third-splits, etc). Red indicates problems. Generators of 50¢ or less are in red. Enharmonics of a 3rd or more are in red.&lt;br /&gt;