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== Theory ==
== Theory ==
15edo can be thought of as three sets of [[5edo]] which do not connect by [[3/2|fifths]]. The fifth at 720 cents is quite wide yet still usable as a perfect fifth. Some would describe the fifth as more shimmery and pungent than anything closer to a just 3/2. The perfect fifth of 15edo returns to the octave if stacked five times, meaning the [[Pythagorean limma]] is tempered out, which is radically different than a meantone system. This has a variety of ramifications for chord progressions based on {{w|Function (music)|functional harmony}}, because with a closed circle of five notes, the same interval can have multiple functions. Additionally, 15 being equal to {{nowrap|3 × 5}} also implies that 15edo contains five sets of [[3edo]].
15edo can be thought of as three sets of [[5edo]] which do not connect by [[3/2|fifths]]. The fifth at 720 cents is quite wide yet still usable as a perfect fifth. Some would describe the fifth as more shimmery and pungent than anything closer to a just 3/2. The perfect fifth of 15edo returns to the octave if stacked five times. In regular temperament terms, this  means the [[Pythagorean limma]] is tempered out, which is radically different than a meantone system. This has a variety of ramifications for chord progressions based on {{w|Function (music)|functional harmony}}, because if you use the equipentatonic as your "diatonic scale", the same interval can have multiple functions. Additionally, 15 being equal to {{nowrap|3 × 5}} also implies that 15edo contains five sets of [[3edo]].


15edo can be seen as a [[7-limit]] temperament because of its ability to approximate some septimal intervals, but it also contains some fairly obvious approximations to [[11-limit]] intervals, so it can reasonably be described as an 11-limit temperament, and is generally considered to be the first edo to work as an 11-limit system; however, due to its rather distant approximation of the 3rd harmonic (and therefore the 9th harmonic as well), those seeking to approximate JI with 15edo would be best advised to avoid chords requiring those harmonics (or to at least treat them with sensitivity, for instance, only using 9/8 when it is being made up of two 3/2s to make its identity clear). 15edo is also notable for being the smallest edo with recognizable, distinct representations of 5-odd limit intervals (3/2, 5/4, 6/5, and their octave inverses) that has a positive [[syntonic comma]].
15edo can be seen as a [[7-limit]] temperament because of its ability to approximate some septimal intervals, but it also contains some fairly obvious approximations to [[11-limit]] intervals, so it can reasonably be described as an 11-limit temperament, and is generally considered to be the first edo to work as an 11-limit system; however, due to its rather distant approximation of the 3rd harmonic (and therefore the 9th harmonic as well), those seeking to represent JI with 15edo would be best advised to avoid chords requiring those harmonics (or to at least treat them with sensitivity, for instance, only using 9/8 when it is being made up of two 3/2s to make its identity clear). 15edo is also notable for being the smallest edo with recognizable, distinct representations of 5-odd limit intervals (3/2, 5/4, 6/5, and their octave inverses) that has a positive [[syntonic comma]].


In the 15edo system, major thirds cannot be divided perfectly into two, while minor thirds, fourths, wide tritones, subminor sevenths, and supermajor sevenths can. Similarly, fourths, fifths, and subminor sevenths can all be divided into 3 equal parts, while minor thirds, tritones, and major sixths cannot. This gives 15edo a whole new set of pitch symmetries and modes of limited transposition. Coupled with the lack of a [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]] and of a standard tritone, this tuning can be disorienting at first. Nonetheless, 15edo is notable for being the next-smallest edo after 12edo that contains recognizable major and minor triads (unless the 14edo supermajor triad is considered as a "recognizable major triad"), a property noted in the works of theorists like [[Ivor Darreg]] and [[Easley Blackwood]]. In addition, because the guitar can be tuned symmetrically, from E to e (6th to 1st strings) unlike the 12-tone system on guitars, the learning curve is very manageable. All chords look the same modulated anywhere, and minor arpeggios are vertically stacked, making them very easy to play. 15-tone may be a promising start for anyone interested in xenharmony, due to its manageable number of tones and for containing the relatively popular 5edo.
In the 15edo system, major thirds cannot be divided perfectly into two, while minor thirds, fourths, wide tritones, subminor sevenths, and supermajor sevenths can. Similarly, supermajor seconds, fourths, fifths, and subminor sevenths can all be divided into 3 equal parts, while minor thirds, tritones, and major sixths cannot.  
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|+Logarithmic divisions of intervals in 15edo
!Interval
!2
!3
!4
!5
!6
!7
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|2 (Minor tone)
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|3 (Major tone)
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|4 (Minor third)
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|5 (Major third)
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|6 (Perfect fourth)
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|7 (Small tritone)
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|8 (Large tritone)
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|9 (Perfect fifth)
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|10 (Minor sixth)
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|11 (Major sixth)
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|12 (Small minor seventh)
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|13 (Large minor seventh)
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|14 (Major seventh)
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|15 (Octave)
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This gives 15edo a whole new set of pitch symmetries and modes of limited transposition. Coupled with the lack of a [[5L 2s|5L 2s diatonic scale]] and of a standard tritone, this tuning can be disorienting at first. Nonetheless, 15edo is notable for being the next-smallest edo after 9edo, 12edo and 14edo that contains recognizable major and minor triads. Under a stricter definition excluding 9edo and 14edo, this is a property noted in the works of theorists like [[Ivor Darreg]] and [[Easley Blackwood]]. In addition, because the guitar can be tuned symmetrically, from E to e (6th to 1st strings) unlike the 12-tone system on guitars, the learning curve is very manageable. All chords look the same modulated anywhere, and minor arpeggios are vertically stacked, making them very easy to play. 15-tone may be a promising start for anyone interested in xenharmony, due to its manageable number of tones and for containing the relatively popular 5edo.
 
A possible analogue to the diatonic scale in 15edo is the [[Zarlino]] diatonic, which flattens one fifth to a large tritone in order to make all 7 notes distinct (and close to corresponding JI intervals, especially if you use the left-handed version). The fact that 15edo supports [[porcupine]] temperament is equivalent to the fact that both accidentals generally required to notate zarlino collapse to a single chromatic step. For a moment-of-symmetry scale, the [[1L 6s]] (onyx) and [[5L 5s]] (blackwood) scales are also an option.


15edo is also the second-smallest edo (after [[10edo]]) that maintains [[minimal consistent EDOs|25% or lower relative error]] on all of the first eight harmonics of the [[harmonic series]].
15edo is also the second-smallest edo (after [[10edo]]) that maintains [[minimal consistent EDOs|25% or lower relative error]] on all of the first eight harmonics of the [[harmonic series]].
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===Porcupine Notation (Octatonic)===
===Porcupine Notation (Octatonic)===
Porcupine notation can also be based on the Porcupine[8] LLLLLLLs scale using eight nominals: α β χ δ ε φ γ η. Others have proposed ABCDEFGHA, but conflicts with European notation have caused many to reject this approach. Thus, Greek letters can be used in their place with a close resemblance to the spelling of ABCDEFGHA. The letters are not in greek alphabetic order.
Porcupine notation can also be based on the Porcupine[8] LLLLLLLs scale using eight nominals: either α β χ δ ε φ γ η or A B C D E F G H. Latin letters are easier to type and more generalizable, but they have the downside of conflicts with standard notation. Thus, Greek letters can be used in their place with a close resemblance to the spelling of ABCDEFGHA. The letters are not in greek alphabetic order.


The eight nominals form the base diatonic scale. In this sense, the "quill" is the name given to the two-edostep interval (160¢) of 15edo while the "small quill" (80¢) is the chroma of 15edo. This produces a very consistent notation for both Porcupine[8] and Blackwood[10], moreso than putting 15edo into a 5L 2s framework. See the main [[Porcupine Notation|porcupine notation]] page.
The eight nominals form the base diatonic scale. In the "quill name" column, the "quill" is the name given to the two-edostep interval (160¢) of 15edo while the "small quill" (80¢) is the chroma of 15edo. This produces a very consistent notation for both Porcupine[8] and Blackwood[10], moreso than putting 15edo into a 5L 2s framework. See the main [[Porcupine Notation|porcupine notation]] page.
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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!Cents
!Cents
!Interval Name
!Quill Name
!MOSstep Name
! Note names (Greek)
! Note names (Greek)
!Note names (Latin)
!Note names (Latin)
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|0
|0
|Zeroquill
|Zeroquill
|Perfect 0-step
|α - α
|α - α
|A - A
|A - A
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|80
|80
|Small Quill / Half Quill
|Small Quill / Half Quill
|Diminished 1-step
|α - β\
|α - β\
|A - Bb
|A - Bb
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|160
|160
|Quill
|Quill
|Perfect 1-step
|α - β
|α - β
|A - B
|A - B
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|240
|240
|Small Diquill
|Small Diquill
|Minor 2-step
|α - χ\
|α - χ\
|A - Cb
|A - Cb
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|320
|320
|Large Diquill
|Large Diquill
|Major 2-step
|α - χ
|α - χ
|A - C
|A - C
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|400
|400
|Small Triquill
|Small Triquill
|Minor 3-step
|α - δ\
|α - δ\
|A - Db
|A - Db
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|480
|480
| Large Triquill
| Large Triquill
|Major 3-step
|α - δ
|α - δ
|A - D
|A - D
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|560
|560
|Small Fourquill
|Small Fourquill
|Minor 4-step
|α - ε\
|α - ε\
|A - Eb
|A - Eb
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|640
|640
| Large Fourquill
| Large Fourquill
|Major 4-step
|α - ε
|α - ε
|A - E
|A - E
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|720
|720
|Small Fivequill
|Small Fivequill
|Minor 5-step
|α - φ\
|α - φ\
|A - Fb
|A - Fb
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|800
|800
|Large Fivequill
|Large Fivequill
|Major 5-step
|α - φ
|α - φ
|A - F
|A - F
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|880
|880
|Small Sixquill
|Small Sixquill
|Minor 6-step
|α - γ\
|α - γ\
|A - Gb
|A - Gb
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|960
|960
|Large Sixquill
|Large Sixquill
|Major 6-step
|α - γ
|α - γ
|A - G
|A - G
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|1040
|1040
|Small Sevenquill
|Small Sevenquill
|Perfect 7-step
|α - η\
|α - η\
|A - Hb
|A - Hb
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|1120
|1120
| Large Sevenquill
| Large Sevenquill
|Augmented 7-step
| α - η
| α - η
|A - H
|A - H
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|1200
|1200
|Octoquill
|Octoquill
|Perfect 8-step
|α - α
|α - α
|A - A
|A - A