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::: I'm stopping at this point. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 22:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

:::: When you’re back, please look at the current version. I think it works as expected. It also does understand <code>^</code> for <code>**</code>, doesn’t shy from excess spaces, and makes minuses into unicode minus − which is a bit higher and wider than - and matches + and tall characters like digits: −+- −3 -3. But the code is almost unreadable and I needed to use <code>#regex</code> twice, otherwise the dots in the middle were deleted together with the trailing one. {{User:Arseniiv/Factorization|2**3 * 5 * 7^ -5 * 11 ** 9 19 ^-4}} --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 22:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

== Interval category ==

I thought [[:Category:Just interval]] would be better than just [[:Category:Interval]] wasn't this also you opinion? I read this in [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Relations of various interval categories]] and found it the best solution. I now explicitly added it there. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

: I wasn’t sure things won’t go in some other way so I added the most general category (and at least then those intervals would be found without listing all the pages, to recategorize later in any possible way). I can add [[:Category:Just interval]] from now on. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 17:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

:: Please have another look into [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Relations of various interval categories]]. Let's get consensus first to prevent future edit wars (even cold ones 😉). --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

::: Thank you. Then I’ll better halt scanning the remaining pages for a while, no rush. After that there would be less to redo, then. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

== Away for a while ==

I was in the thick of things, so I need to inform you I fell with cold or something. Hopefully. 😑 I was going to discuss bots. They are good for recategorization especially as one easily can hide their edits from Watchlist and focus on people. Of course many pages will need human intervention but anyway the possibilities are big, akin to scripting support Xenwolf mentioned. I planned to research how I could write a bot in Python 3 and wherher is it easy enough not to ditch it immediately. 😁 Also a bot could certainly apply infoboxes to appropriate places, and then a person just deletes duplicated descriptions on those pages if needed.

If you don't mind please don't do hard recategorization work by hand for a week. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC) [[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

: I wish you get well soon!

: Concerning bots: Of course, it would be practical to have a bot available (because there are things that tire human editors, but which are nevertheless indispensable). However, I find rather undemanding works a welcome opportunity to actually read the pages I am about to edit. In this way, I sometimes discover texts that are completely incomprehensible to readers, sometimes even those that I have written myself - reading is as important as writing.

: Bots help in formally clear situations, but when are situations formally clear?

: To avoid misunderstandings: I consider myself to be a technically gifted person, I have been programming with passion for decades, but I have learned that interpersonal problems are often not solved when you "throw technical solutions at them". Wikis in particular are strongly influenced by interpersonal interactions, they are ultimately the lasting traces of this interaction. So if something is wrong in a wiki, it is different than if something is wrong with a document, for example. Therefore it needs wise consideration when to use technical tools. At least that's what my fifteen years of wiki experience tells me. And yes, it is only a part of the truth. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 13:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

:: I agree throwing bots in the mix should be a careful decision. 🙂 Hopefully now are the last few days of the illness, and we'll discuss the matter in all needed detail soon! I just need to start sensing smell again (ow, was that an enlightening experience...) Thank you for words of care! --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:38, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

:: Oh btw do you by any chance know if there is a xentonal Discord server or two? If there aren't, maybe I could create one right from this phone. I'm not on good terms with Facebook to tap my feet in those groups which are already there. A quick chat may be useful sometimes! --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

::: It would be great if there were a Xenharmonic Discord Server. I know I'm on Discord, so there's that. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

::: So far, I don't see any signs of a Xenharmonic Discord Server... Perhaps we should start one... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

:::: I don't know Discord. Maybe the chat linekd in the sidebar ([https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=##xenharmonic XA IRC Chat]) could help in some way? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

::::: What you propose may help on this wiki, however, expanding our community to Discord is still a good idea. You may not know Discord, but we do. That said, I don't know how to mod, and I can't trust myself to do that kind of job. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 14:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::: Finally I’m back! Sorting things out will take a while but I’ll continue with this two threads (bots and Discord) well soon! I’ll start their own sections at a current project discussion page, I think, and make longer posts. Oh, also if there were edits which you think I would want to see, please tell. I was going to comb through all recent changes since I was absent but I can miss something interesting by chance. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 16:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

::::::: Hey, it turns out that Inthar is also on Discord, so perhaps between the three of us, we can start the server. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::::: That’s probably good! Though for some weeks I can’t collect myself together, but I hope to come back here and resume doing something nice. I have bad inertia with re-picking up things I left for a little while. 😟

:::::::: Also, about Discord, I hope no essential moderatorial skills would be needed for a time for a new server, and hopefully people who are more or less for a long time in xen community and will be joining know better than argue between each other, so moderation would be needed very and very scarcely and people like us would be able to deliver that in a reasonable fashion. [[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 16:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::::: I should post an update- [[User:SAKryukov|SA]] has formed the Microtonal Discord Server, so perhaps we can build off of what's going on there. Speak to him on [[User talk:SAKryukov|his talk page]] about this. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 17:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::::: I figured I might as well post a link to the [https://discord.com/channels/786387772885565442/786387772885565445 Microtonal Server on Discord] that SA created. It's currently not very active, but still. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 07:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Score for Folly of a Drunk ==

Hey, Arseniiv, remember Folly of a Drunk? The score is now posted on my user page, and I think you'd be interested to see some of the quartertone motions that occur in that song. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

: Thanks, I’ll take a look! Though I’m not that good with reading sheet music — I know all the basics but have almost no practice to read scores fluently (even 12-edo ones). --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 16:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

== Good to see you again! ==

Hi Arseniiv, hope you are well. Maybe you are interested in a brand new approach to templates on dev.xen.wiki? See [[User:Xenwolf/Lua]] for the details. BTW: what's your opinion about emails by others (''Preferences'' → ''User settings'' → ''Allow other users to email me'')? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

: Oh, I somehow missed that… Hopefully I’ll do something, nowadays I’m usually on XA Discord but if I get an idea what new to write, I’ll do! —[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 23:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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 ::: I'm stopping at this point. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 22:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::: When you’re back, please look at the current version. I think it works as expected. It also does understand <code>^</code> for <code>**</code>, doesn’t shy from excess spaces, and makes minuses into unicode minus − which is a bit higher and wider than - and matches + and tall characters like digits: −+- −3 -3. But the code is almost unreadable and I needed to use <code>#regex</code> twice, otherwise the dots in the middle were deleted together with the trailing one. {{User:Arseniiv/Factorization|2**3 * 5 * 7^ -5 * 11 ** 9   19 ^-4}} --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 22:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+== Interval category ==
+I thought [[:Category:Just interval]] would be better than just [[:Category:Interval]] wasn't this also you opinion? I read this in [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Relations of various interval categories]] and found it the best solution. I now explicitly added it there. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
+: I wasn’t sure things won’t go in some other way so I added the most general category (and at least then those intervals would be found without listing all the pages, to recategorize later in any possible way). I can add [[:Category:Just interval]] from now on. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 17:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
+:: Please have another look into [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Relations of various interval categories]]. Let's get consensus first to prevent future edit wars (even cold ones 😉). --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
+::: Thank you. Then I’ll better halt scanning the remaining pages for a while, no rush. After that there would be less to redo, then. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
+== Away for a while ==
+I was in the thick of things, so I need to inform you I fell with cold or something. Hopefully. 😑 I was going to discuss bots. They are good for recategorization especially as one easily can hide their edits from Watchlist and focus on people. Of course many pages will need human intervention but anyway the possibilities are big, akin to scripting support Xenwolf mentioned. I planned to research how I could write a bot in Python 3 and wherher is it easy enough not to ditch it immediately. 😁 Also a bot could certainly apply infoboxes to appropriate places, and then a person just deletes duplicated descriptions on those pages if needed.
+If you don't mind please don't do hard recategorization work by hand for a week. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC) [[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
+: I wish you get well soon!
+: Concerning bots: Of course, it would be practical to have a bot available (because there are things that tire human editors, but which are nevertheless indispensable). However, I find rather undemanding works a welcome opportunity to actually read the pages I am about to edit. In this way, I sometimes discover texts that are completely incomprehensible to readers, sometimes even those that I have written myself - reading is as important as writing.
+: Bots help in formally clear situations, but when are situations formally clear?
+: To avoid misunderstandings: I consider myself to be a technically gifted person, I have been programming with passion for decades, but I have learned that interpersonal problems are often not solved when you "throw technical solutions at them". Wikis in particular are strongly influenced by interpersonal interactions, they are ultimately the lasting traces of this interaction. So if something is wrong in a wiki, it is different than if something is wrong with a document, for example. Therefore it needs wise consideration when to use technical tools. At least that's what my fifteen years of wiki experience tells me. And yes, it is only a part of the truth. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 13:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
+:: I agree throwing bots in the mix should be a careful decision. 🙂 Hopefully now are the last few days of the illness, and we'll discuss the matter in all needed detail soon! I just need to start sensing smell again (ow, was that an enlightening experience...) Thank you for words of care! --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:38, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
+:: Oh btw do you by any chance know if there is a xentonal Discord server or two? If there aren't, maybe I could create one right from this phone. I'm not on good terms with Facebook to tap my feet in those groups which are already there. A quick chat may be useful sometimes! --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
+::: It would be great if there were a Xenharmonic Discord Server.  I know I'm on Discord, so there's that. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
+::: So far, I don't see any signs of a Xenharmonic Discord Server...  Perhaps we should start one... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::: I don't know Discord. Maybe the chat linekd in the sidebar ([https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=##xenharmonic XA IRC Chat]) could help in some way? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
+::::: What you propose may help on this wiki, however, expanding our community to Discord is still a good idea.  You may not know Discord, but we do.  That said, I don't know how to mod, and I can't trust myself to do that kind of job. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 14:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::::: Finally I’m back!  Sorting things out will take a while but I’ll continue with this two threads (bots and Discord) well soon! I’ll start their own sections at a current project discussion page, I think, and make longer posts. Oh, also if there were edits which you think I would want to see, please tell. I was going to comb through all recent changes since I was absent but I can miss something interesting by chance. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 16:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
+::::::: Hey, it turns out that Inthar is also on Discord, so perhaps between the three of us, we can start the server. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::: That’s probably good! Though for some weeks I can’t collect myself together, but I hope to come back here and resume doing something nice. I have bad inertia with re-picking up things I left for a little while. 😟
+:::::::: Also, about Discord, I hope no essential moderatorial skills would be needed for a time for a new server, and hopefully people who are more or less for a long time in xen community and will be joining know better than argue between each other, so moderation would be needed very and very scarcely and people like us would be able to deliver that in a reasonable fashion. [[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 16:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::: I should post an update- [[User:SAKryukov|SA]] has formed the Microtonal Discord Server, so perhaps we can build off of what's going on there.  Speak to him on [[User talk:SAKryukov|his talk page]] about this. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 17:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::: I figured I might as well post a link to the [https://discord.com/channels/786387772885565442/786387772885565445 Microtonal Server on Discord] that SA created.  It's currently not very active, but still. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 07:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
+== Score for Folly of a Drunk ==
+Hey, Arseniiv, remember Folly of a Drunk?  The score is now posted on my user page, and I think you'd be interested to see some of the quartertone motions that occur in that song. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
+: Thanks, I’ll take a look! Though I’m not that good with reading sheet music — I know all the basics but have almost no practice to read scores fluently (even 12-edo ones). --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 16:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
+== Good to see you again! ==
+Hi Arseniiv, hope you are well. Maybe you are interested in a brand new approach to templates on dev.xen.wiki? See [[User:Xenwolf/Lua]] for the details. BTW: what's your opinion about emails by others (''Preferences'' &rarr; ''User settings'' &rarr; ''Allow other users to email me'')? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
+: Oh, I somehow missed that… Hopefully I’ll do something, nowadays I’m usually on XA Discord but if I get an idea what new to write, I’ll do! —[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 23:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)