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'''15/14''' is a [[superparticular]] ratio with a numerator which is the fifth [[triangular number]]. It may be found as the interval between many [[7-limit]] ratios, including:
'''15/14''' is a [[superparticular]] ratio with a numerator which is the fifth [[triangular number]]. It is traditionally called a ''diatonic semitone'', perhaps for its proximity (and conflation in systems such as septimal [[meantone]] and [[marvel]]) with the classic diatonic semitone [[16/15]]. However, 15/14 is a ''[[chromatic semitone]]'' in both [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] and the [[Functional Just System]], viewed as the apotome [[2187/2048]] altered by [[5120/5103]]. [[Marc Sabat]] has taken to call it the ''major chromatic semitone'' in the same material where [[21/20]] is also named as the minor diatonic semitone<ref>Marc Sabat. [https://masa.plainsound.org/pdfs/crystal-growth.pdf ''Three Crystal Growth Algorithms in 23-limit constrained Harmonic Space'']. Plainsound Music Edition, 2008.</ref>.
 
Because it contains exactly one of each prime up to 7, it appears as the interval between many simple [[7-limit]] ratios. In particular, it is the difference between certain [[interval qualities]] of seconds, thirds, sixths, and sevenths: between classical minor and supermajor, and between subminor and classical major. These are the pairs of intervals separated by 15/14:
* [[28/27]] and [[10/9]]
* [[16/15]] and [[8/7]]
* [[16/15]] and [[8/7]]
* [[7/6]] and [[5/4]]
* [[7/6]] and [[5/4]]
* [[6/5]] and [[9/7]]
* [[6/5]] and [[9/7]]
* [[4/3]] and [[10/7]]
* [[7/5]] and [[3/2]]
* [[14/9]] and [[5/3]]
* [[14/9]] and [[5/3]]
* [[8/5]] and [[12/7]]
* [[8/5]] and [[12/7]]
* [[7/4]] and [[15/8]]
* [[7/4]] and [[15/8]]
* [[9/5]] and [[27/14]]
In addition, it separates the perfect fourth from the larger septimal tritone, and the perfect fifth from the smaller septimal tritone:
* [[4/3]] and [[10/7]]
* [[7/5]] and [[3/2]]


It also arises in higher limits as:  
It also arises in higher limits as:  
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* [[26/15]] and [[13/7]]
* [[26/15]] and [[13/7]]


== Terminology ==
== Approximation ==
15/14 is traditionally called a ''diatonic semitone'', perhaps for its proximity (and conflation in systems such as septimal [[meantone]] and [[marvel]]) with the classic diatonic semitone [[16/15]]. However, 15/14 is a ''[[Wikipedia:chromatic semitone|chromatic semitone]]'' in both [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] and the [[Functional Just System]], viewed as the apotome [[2187/2048]] altered by [[5120/5103]]. [[Marc Sabat]] has taken to call it the ''major chromatic semitone'' in the same material where [[21/20]] is also named as the minor diatonic semitone<ref>Marc Sabat. [https://masa.plainsound.org/pdfs/crystal-growth.pdf ''Three Crystal Growth Algorithms in 23-limit constrained Harmonic Space'']. Plainsound Music Edition, 2008.</ref>.
15/14 is very accurately approximated by [[10edo]] (1\10) and all [[linus]] temperaments. The [[linus comma]], 5.6{{c}}, is the amount by which a stack of ten 15/14's falls short of the octave.


== Approximation ==
In combination with [[19/17]] it forms a good approximation of [[golden meantone]]. The untempered combination of five 19/17's and two 15/14's leads to an interval that is sharp to an octave by the [[mercurial comma]]: (19/17)<sup>5</sup> × (15/14)<sup>2</sup> = 2 / (mercurial comma).
15/14 is very accurately approximated by [[10edo]] (1\10) and all [[linus]] temperaments. The [[linus comma]], 5.6¢, is the amount by which a stack of ten 15/14's falls short of the octave.


In combination with [[19/17]] it forms a good approximation of [[golden meantone]]. The untempered combination of five 19/17's and two 15/14's leads to an interval that is sharp to an octave by the [[mercurial comma]]: (19/17)<sup>5</sup> × (15/14)<sup>2</sup> = 2 / (mercurial comma).
{{Interval edo approximation|max edo=131|15/14}}


== Temperaments ==
== Temperaments ==
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* [[Septidiasemi]]
* [[Septidiasemi]]
* [[Subsedia]]
* [[Subsedia]]
In addition, this [[fractional-octave temperament]] is generated by a ~15/14:
* [[Tertiosec]] (1\3)
Several [[10th-octave temperaments]] treat ~15/14 as the period, including [[decoid]] and [[linus]].
{{todo|complete list}}
{{todo|complete list}}
In addition, several [[10th-octave temperaments]] treat ~15/14 as the period, including [[decoid]] and [[linus]].


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[28/15]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[28/15]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[7/5]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[7/5]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[1ed15/14]] - its [[ambitonal sequence]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]

Latest revision as of 12:05, 1 May 2026

Interval information
Ratio 15/14
Factorization 2-1 × 3 × 5 × 7-1
Monzo [-1 1 1 -1
Size in cents 119.4428¢
Names septimal diatonic semitone,
septimal major semitone
Color name ry1, ruyo unison
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{A1}^{5}_{7} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 7.71425
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 7.81378
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 17

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15/14 is a superparticular ratio with a numerator which is the fifth triangular number. It is traditionally called a diatonic semitone, perhaps for its proximity (and conflation in systems such as septimal meantone and marvel) with the classic diatonic semitone 16/15. However, 15/14 is a chromatic semitone in both Helmholtz–Ellis notation and the Functional Just System, viewed as the apotome 2187/2048 altered by 5120/5103. Marc Sabat has taken to call it the major chromatic semitone in the same material where 21/20 is also named as the minor diatonic semitone[1].

Because it contains exactly one of each prime up to 7, it appears as the interval between many simple 7-limit ratios. In particular, it is the difference between certain interval qualities of seconds, thirds, sixths, and sevenths: between classical minor and supermajor, and between subminor and classical major. These are the pairs of intervals separated by 15/14:

In addition, it separates the perfect fourth from the larger septimal tritone, and the perfect fifth from the smaller septimal tritone:

It also arises in higher limits as:

Approximation

15/14 is very accurately approximated by 10edo (1\10) and all linus temperaments. The linus comma, 5.6 ¢, is the amount by which a stack of ten 15/14's falls short of the octave.

In combination with 19/17 it forms a good approximation of golden meantone. The untempered combination of five 19/17's and two 15/14's leads to an interval that is sharp to an octave by the mercurial comma: (19/17)5 × (15/14)2 = 2 / (mercurial comma).


Edo approximations for 15/14 (119.44 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
10 1\10 120.00 +0.56 +0.46
11 1\11 109.09 -10.35 -9.49
20 2\20 120.00 +0.56 +0.93
21 2\21 114.29 -5.16 -9.02
30 3\30 120.00 +0.56 +1.39
31 3\31 116.13 -3.31 -8.56
40 4\40 120.00 +0.56 +1.86
41 4\41 117.07 -2.37 -8.10
50 5\50 120.00 +0.56 +2.32
51 5\51 117.65 -1.80 -7.63
60 6\60 120.00 +0.56 +2.79
61 6\61 118.03 -1.41 -7.17
70 7\70 120.00 +0.56 +3.25
71 7\71 118.31 -1.13 -6.70
80 8\80 120.00 +0.56 +3.71

Temperaments

The following linear temperaments are generated by a ~15/14:

In addition, this fractional-octave temperament is generated by a ~15/14:

Several 10th-octave temperaments treat ~15/14 as the period, including decoid and linus.

See also

References