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A '''neutral third (n3 | {{Interwiki | ||
| en = Neutral third | |||
| zh = 中三度 | |||
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{{Infobox interval region | |||
| Name = Neutral third | |||
| Cents lower = 340 | |||
| Cents lower wide = 330 | |||
| Cents upper = 360 | |||
| Cents upper wide = 370 | |||
| JI intervals = 11/9, 16/13 | |||
| MOSes = [[4L 3s]], [[3L 4s]], [[7L 3s]], [[3L 7s]] | |||
| Complement = [[Neutral sixth]] | |||
| Lower region = [[Minor Third]] | |||
| Higher region = [[Major third]] | |||
}} | |||
{{Wikipedia}} | |||
A '''neutral third''' ('''n3''') is an interval that generates a variant of [[5L 2s|diatonic]] with its original [[perfect fifth|perfect-fifth]] generator halved. Like the [[major third]] and [[minor third]], it is considered a third, so it spans two steps in diatonic-based notation, but has a quality between major and minor. | |||
The neutral third range is generally divided at roughly 350 | In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a neutral third if it is reasonably mapped to two steps of the diatonic scale and three and a half steps of the chromatic scale. | ||
As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 350 [[cents]] in size, distinct from the minor third of roughly 300 [[cent]]s and the major third of roughly 400{{c}}. A rough tuning range for the neutral third is 330 to 370{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions; intervals in this range may be also called ''Zalzalian thirds''. | |||
The neutral third range is generally divided at roughly 350{{c}} into [[neutral (interval quality)|artoneutral]] (flatter) and [[neutral (interval quality)|tendoneutral]] (sharper) thirds. As such, neutral thirds tend to exist in pairs. | |||
== In just intonation == | == In just intonation == | ||
The 3- | === By prime limit === | ||
The [[3-limit]] and 5-limit do not have simple neutral thirds (though hemipythagorean has an irrational [[sqrt(3/2)]] interval that might be considered the "canonical" neutral third), so we start with the 7-limit: | |||
* The 7-limit artoneutral and tendoneutral thirds are the ratios of [[60/49]] and [[49/40]] respectively, and they are slightly flat of and slightly sharp of 351{{c}} respectively. | |||
* The 11-limit alpharabian artoneutral and tendoneutral thirds are the ratios of [[11/9]] and [[27/22]] respectively, and they are about 347 and 355{{c}} respectively. | |||
* The 13-limit artoneutral and tendoneutral thirds are the ratios of [[39/32]] and [[16/13]] respectively, and they are about 342 and 359{{c}} respectively. | |||
* The 17-limit supraminor and submajor thirds are the ratios of [[17/14]] and [[21/17]] respectively, and they are about 336 and 366{{c}} respectively. | |||
=== By delta === | |||
See [[Delta-N ratio]]. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|- | |||
! colspan="2" | Delta-2 | |||
! colspan="2" | Delta-3 | |||
! colspan="2" | Delta-4 | |||
! colspan="2" | Delta-5 | |||
|- | |||
| [[11/9]] | |||
| 347{{c}} | |||
| [[16/13]] | |||
| 359{{c}} | |||
| [[21/17]] | |||
| 365{{c}} | |||
| [[26/21]] | |||
| 370{{c}} | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| [[17/14]] | |||
| 336{{c}} | |||
| [[23/19]] | |||
| 330{{c}} | |||
| [[27/22]] | |||
| 355{{c}} | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| [[28/23]] | |||
| 341{{c}} | |||
|} | |||
== In edos == | |||
The following table lists the best tuning of 39/32 and 16/13 in various significant [[edo]]s. For applicable edos, it also lists one half of the edo's perfect fifth, approximating [[sqrt(3/2)]], which, while not a just interval, is the "canonical" neutral third tuning, as stacking two of them gives [[3/2]]. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Edo | |||
! 1\2edf | |||
! 39/32 | |||
! 16/13 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 7 | ||
| colspan="3" | | | colspan="3" | 343{{c}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 17 | ||
| colspan="3" | | | colspan="3" | 353{{c}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 24 | ||
| colspan="3" | 350{{c}} | |||
| colspan=" | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 25 | ||
| | | — | ||
| | | colspan="2" | 336{{c}} | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 26 | ||
| | | — | ||
| * | |||
| 369{{c}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 27 | ||
| | | colspan="3" | 356{{c}} | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 29 | ||
| | | — | ||
| 331{{c}} | |||
| * | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 31 | ||
| colspan="3" | | | colspan="3" | 348{{c}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 34 | ||
| colspan="3" | | | colspan="3" | 353{{c}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
|53 | | 41 | ||
| | | colspan="3" | 351{{c}} | ||
| | |- | ||
| | | 53 | ||
| — | |||
| 340{{c}} | |||
| 362{{c}} | |||
|} | |} | ||
== In regular temperaments == | == In regular temperaments == | ||
Temperaments generated by neutral thirds often involve tempering a pair of neutral thirds together. As such, each pair of neutral thirds has a corresponding temperament, which equates both neutral thirds to half of a perfect fifth: | Temperaments generated by neutral thirds often involve tempering a pair of neutral thirds together. As such, each pair of neutral thirds has a corresponding temperament, which equates both neutral thirds to half of a perfect fifth: | ||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|- | |||
! Pair of neutral thirds | |||
! Temperament | |||
|- | |||
| 60/49, 49/40 | |||
| [[Breed (temperament)|Breed]] retraction* | |||
|- | |||
| 11/9, 27/22 | |||
| [[Neutral (temperament)|Neutral]] | |||
|- | |||
| 39/32, 16/13 | |||
| Temperament of [[512/507]] | |||
|- | |||
| 17/14, 21/17 | |||
| Temperament of 294/289 | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* Breed is a rank-3 temperament, the other generator being ~7/5 | |||
== In moment-of-symmetry scales == | |||
Intervals between 327 and 400{{c}} generate the following [[mos]] scales: | |||
These tables start from the last monolarge mos generated by the interval range. | |||
Scales with more than 12 notes are not included. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Range | |||
| | ! colspan="4" | Mos | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 327–343{{c}} | ||
|[[ | | colspan="1" rowspan="3" | [[1L 2s]] | ||
| colspan="1" rowspan="3" | [[3L 1s]] | |||
| rowspan="1" | [[4L 3s]] | |||
| [[7L 4s]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 343–360{{c}} | ||
| | | rowspan="2" | [[3L 4s]] | ||
| [[7L 3s]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 360–400{{c}} | ||
| | | [[3L 7s]] | ||
|} | |} | ||
{{Navbox intervals}} | {{Navbox intervals}} | ||