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{{Infobox | {{Infobox regtemp | ||
| Title = Rodan | | Title = Rodan | ||
| Subgroups = 2.3.5.7, 2.3.5.7.11 | | Subgroups = 2.3.5.7, 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
| Comma basis = [[245/243]], [[1029/1024]] (7-limit); <br> [[245/243]], [[385/384]], [[441/440]] (11-limit) | | Comma basis = [[245/243]], [[1029/1024]] (7-limit); <br> [[245/243]], [[385/384]], [[441/440]] (11-limit) | ||
| Edo join 1 = 41 | Edo join 2 = 46 | | Edo join 1 = 41 | Edo join 2 = 46 | ||
| | | Mapping = 1; 3 17 -1 -13 | ||
| Generators = 8/7 | Generators tuning = 234.4 | Optimization method = CWE | |||
| MOS scales = [[1L 4s]], [[5L 1s]], [[5L 6s]], …, [[5L 36s]], [[41L 5s]] | | MOS scales = [[1L 4s]], [[5L 1s]], [[5L 6s]], …, [[5L 36s]], [[41L 5s]] | ||
| Pergen = (P8, P5/3) | | Pergen = (P8, P5/3) | ||
| Odd limit 1 = 9 | Mistuning 1 = | | Odd limit 1 = 9 | Mistuning 1 = 5.05 | Complexity 1 = 21 | ||
| Odd limit 2 = | | Odd limit 2 = 11-limit 21 | Mistuning 2 = 5.34 | Complexity 2 = 36 | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Rodan''' is one of the notable [[extension]]s of the [[slendric]] [[regular temperament|temperament]], which divides the perfect fifth, [[3/2]], into three equal intervals representing [[8/7]] ([[tempering out]] the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]]), reaching the full [[7-limit]] such that 17 of these [[generators]] [[stacking|stack]] to reach the interval class of the [[5/1|5th harmonic]]. It tempers out [[245/243]], making it a [[sensamagic clan|sensamagic temperament]], so that [[5/3]] is divided into two intervals of [[9/7]]; and it tempers out [[5120/5103]], making it also a [[hemifamity temperaments|hemifamity temperament]], so that [[9/8]] stacks thrice into [[10/7]]. | |||
Unlike in [[mothra]], which flattens the fifth to a [[meantone]] fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of [[41edo]] to that of [[46edo]] (with [[87edo]] being an essentially optimal tuning). As a result, the [[256/243|diatonic minor second]] is compressed, and the interval known as the [[quark]], which represents [[49/48]], [[64/63]], and in rodan also [[81/80]], is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the [[mos scale]]s of rodan [[cluster MOS|cluster]] even more strongly around [[5edo]], although this can be thought of as an advantage in that it simplifies the conceptualization of rodan's inventory of intervals (see [[#As a detemperament of 5et]]). Rather than directly using mos scales, which are either extremely imbalanced or overly large, an approach to rodan may involve picking and choosing which intervals from each [[pentatonic]] category to keep in the scale. | |||
As can be elucidated by [[S-expression]]s, rodan is very much an "opposed counterpart" to mothra: the basic equivalence of slendric tempers S7 (49/48) = S8 (64/63), and mothra proceeds to equate it to S6 ([[36/35]]) as well; meanwhile, rodan extends the equivalence in the opposite direction to add S9 (81/80) to it, making it one of the five [[rank-2 temperament]]s definable by equating three adjacent square superparticulars. | |||
As for further extensions, slendric temperaments often find [[55/32]] at 4 generator steps (tempering out [[385/384]] and [[441/440]]), giving new interpretations to the quark as [[55/54]] and [[56/55]]; 55/32 is particularly accurate in the tuning subrange appropriate for rodan, and so [[11/1|harmonic 11]] can easily be found at -13 generator steps. It is also worth mentioning that this equates the diatonic major third to [[14/11]], tempering out [[896/891]]. A [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]] version of rodan, known as '''radon''', uses exclusively this mapping and forgoes interpreting the 5th harmonic. | |||
As for further extensions, slendric temperaments often find [[55/32]] at 4 generator steps (tempering out [[385/384]] and [[441/440]]), giving new interpretations to the quark as [[55/54]] and [[56/55]]; 55/32 is particularly accurate in the tuning subrange appropriate for rodan, and so [[11/1|harmonic 11]] can easily be found at -13 generator steps. It is also worth mentioning that this equates the diatonic major third to [[14/11]], tempering out [[896/891]]. A [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]] version of rodan, known as ''radon'', uses exclusively this mapping and forgoes interpreting the 5th harmonic. | |||
Toward the [[13-limit]], the diatonic minor third ([[32/27]]) in hemifamity temperaments represents the square root of [[7/5]], for which [[13/11]] is a good interpretation (tempering out [[352/351]] and [[847/845]]), which turns out to place [[13/1|harmonic 13]] at -22 generator steps. Finally, [[17/13]] is a good interpretation of the slendric subfourth comprising two generators, otherwise equated to [[21/16]] (tempering out [[273/272]] and [[833/832]]), and this places [[17/1|harmonic 17]] at -20 generator steps. Thus proceeds the canonical extension of rodan out to the [[17-limit]]. | Toward the [[13-limit]], the diatonic minor third ([[32/27]]) in hemifamity temperaments represents the square root of [[7/5]], for which [[13/11]] is a good interpretation (tempering out [[352/351]] and [[847/845]]), which turns out to place [[13/1|harmonic 13]] at -22 generator steps. Finally, [[17/13]] is a good interpretation of the slendric subfourth comprising two generators, otherwise equated to [[21/16]] (tempering out [[273/272]] and [[833/832]]), and this places [[17/1|harmonic 17]] at -20 generator steps. Thus proceeds the canonical extension of rodan out to the [[17-limit]]. | ||
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== Interval chain == | == Interval chain == | ||
When speaking of interval categories, as an extension of slendric it is possible to use a system [[Slendric#Interval categories|designed for slendric]], where notes are inflected from the diatonic [[chain of fifths]] by means of the prefixes "super" and "sub", such that three of these inflections stack to a diatonic minor second. These "super" and "sub" prefixes are equivalent to "up" and "down" in [[#Notation|the notation]] system, | When speaking of interval categories, as an extension of slendric it is possible to use a system [[Slendric#Interval categories|designed for slendric]], where notes are inflected from the diatonic [[chain of fifths]] by means of the prefixes "super" and "sub", such that three of these inflections stack to a diatonic minor second. Such an inflection is equivalent to a quark, and due to the quark's versatile nature in rodan as a generalized comma, simple pental and septimal intervals tend to be represented by single-quark offsets from the diatonic spine. These "super" and "sub" prefixes are equivalent to "up" and "down" in [[#Notation|the notation]] system, where lifts and drops would represent a single edostep in [[ups and downs notation]] in the context of larger rodan edos that map this comma to multiple edosteps. | ||
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–21 are in '''bold'''. | In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–21 are in '''bold'''. | ||
{| class="wikitable sortable center-1 center-2 right- | {| class="wikitable sortable center-1 center-2 center-3 right-4" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | # !! rowspan="2" | Extended <br> diatonic <br> interval !! rowspan="2" | Cents* !! colspan="2" | Approximate ratios | ! rowspan="2" | # !! rowspan="2" | Extended <br> diatonic <br> interval !! rowspan="2" | Ups and downs <br> notation !! rowspan="2" | Cents* !! colspan="2" | Approximate ratios | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="1" | Ratios of the 11-limit !! colspan="1" | Ratios of the 17-limit | ! rowspan="1" | Ratios of the 11-limit !! colspan="1" | Ratios of the 17-limit | ||
| Line 37: | Line 36: | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| P1 | | P1 | ||
| D | |||
| 0.00 | | 0.00 | ||
| '''1/1''' | | '''1/1''' | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
| SM2 | | SM2 | ||
| ^E | |||
| 234.46 | | 234.46 | ||
| '''8/7''' | | '''8/7''' | ||
| Line 49: | Line 50: | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| s4 | | s4 | ||
| vG | |||
| 468.92 | | 468.92 | ||
| '''21/16''', 64/49 | | '''21/16''', 64/49 | ||
| Line 55: | Line 57: | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
| P5 | | P5 | ||
| A | |||
| 703.38 | | 703.38 | ||
| '''3/2''' | | '''3/2''' | ||
| Line 61: | Line 64: | ||
| 4 | | 4 | ||
| SM6 | | SM6 | ||
| ^B | |||
| 937.84 | | 937.84 | ||
| 12/7, 55/32 | | 12/7, 55/32 | ||
| Line 67: | Line 71: | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
| s8 | | s8 | ||
| vD | |||
| 1172.30 | | 1172.30 | ||
| 55/28, 63/32, 96/49, 108/55, 160/81 | | 55/28, 63/32, 96/49, 108/55, 160/81 | ||
| Line 73: | Line 78: | ||
| 6 | | 6 | ||
| M2 | | M2 | ||
| E | |||
| 206.76 | | 206.76 | ||
| '''9/8''' | | '''9/8''' | ||
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| 7 | | 7 | ||
| SM3 | | SM3 | ||
| ^F# | |||
| 441.22 | | 441.22 | ||
| 9/7, 35/27 | | 9/7, 35/27 | ||
| Line 85: | Line 92: | ||
| 8 | | 8 | ||
| s5 | | s5 | ||
| vA | |||
| 675.68 | | 675.68 | ||
| 40/27, 49/33, 72/49 | | 40/27, 49/33, 72/49 | ||
| Line 91: | Line 99: | ||
| 9 | | 9 | ||
| M6 | | M6 | ||
| B | |||
| 910.14 | | 910.14 | ||
| 27/16, 56/33 | | 27/16, 56/33 | ||
| Line 97: | Line 106: | ||
| 10 | | 10 | ||
| SM7 | | SM7 | ||
| ^C# | |||
| 1144.59 | | 1144.59 | ||
| 27/14, 35/18, 64/33 | | 27/14, 35/18, 64/33 | ||
| Line 103: | Line 113: | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| sM2 | | sM2 | ||
| vE | |||
| 179.05 | | 179.05 | ||
| 10/9 | | 10/9 | ||
| Line 109: | Line 120: | ||
| 12 | | 12 | ||
| M3 | | M3 | ||
| F# | |||
| 413.51 | | 413.51 | ||
| 14/11, 81/64 | | 14/11, 81/64 | ||
| Line 115: | Line 127: | ||
| 13 | | 13 | ||
| SA4 | | SA4 | ||
| ^G# | |||
| 647.97 | | 647.97 | ||
| '''16/11''', 35/24 | | '''16/11''', 35/24 | ||
| Line 121: | Line 134: | ||
| 14 | | 14 | ||
| sM6 | | sM6 | ||
| vB | |||
| 882.43 | | 882.43 | ||
| 5/3 | | 5/3 | ||
| Line 127: | Line 141: | ||
| 15 | | 15 | ||
| M7 | | M7 | ||
| C# | |||
| 1116.89 | | 1116.89 | ||
| 21/11, 40/21 | | 21/11, 40/21 | ||
| Line 133: | Line 148: | ||
| 16 | | 16 | ||
| SA1 | | SA1 | ||
| ^D# | |||
| 151.35 | | 151.35 | ||
| 12/11, 35/32 | | 12/11, 35/32 | ||
| | | 56/51 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 17 | | 17 | ||
| sM3 | | sM3 | ||
| vF# | |||
| 385.81 | | 385.81 | ||
| '''5/4''' | | '''5/4''' | ||
| Line 145: | Line 162: | ||
| 18 | | 18 | ||
| A4 | | A4 | ||
| G# | |||
| 620.27 | | 620.27 | ||
| 10/7 | | 10/7 | ||
| Line 151: | Line 169: | ||
| 19 | | 19 | ||
| SA5 | | SA5 | ||
| ^A# | |||
| 854.73 | | 854.73 | ||
| 18/11 | | 18/11 | ||
| Line 157: | Line 176: | ||
| 20 | | 20 | ||
| sM7 | | sM7 | ||
| vC# | |||
| 1089.19 | | 1089.19 | ||
| '''15/8''' | | '''15/8''' | ||
| Line 163: | Line 183: | ||
| 21 | | 21 | ||
| A1 | | A1 | ||
| D# | |||
| 123.65 | | 123.65 | ||
| 15/14 | | 15/14 | ||
| Line 169: | Line 190: | ||
| 22 | | 22 | ||
| SA2 | | SA2 | ||
| ^E# | |||
| 358.11 | | 358.11 | ||
| 27/22, 60/49 | | 27/22, 60/49 | ||
| Line 175: | Line 197: | ||
| 23 | | 23 | ||
| sA4 | | sA4 | ||
| vG# | |||
| 592.57 | | 592.57 | ||
| 45/32 | | 45/32 | ||
| Line 181: | Line 204: | ||
| 24 | | 24 | ||
| A5 | | A5 | ||
| A# | |||
| 827.03 | | 827.03 | ||
| 45/28 | | 45/28 | ||
| Line 187: | Line 211: | ||
| 25 | | 25 | ||
| SA6 | | SA6 | ||
| ^B# | |||
| 1061.49 | | 1061.49 | ||
| 50/27, 90/49 | | 50/27, 90/49 | ||
| 24/13 | | 24/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 26 | | 26 | ||
| sA1 | | sA1 | ||
| vD# | |||
| 95.95 | | 95.95 | ||
| 35/33 | | 35/33 | ||
| Line 199: | Line 225: | ||
| 27 | | 27 | ||
| A2 | | A2 | ||
| E# | |||
| 330.41 | | 330.41 | ||
| 40/33 | | 40/33 | ||
| Line 205: | Line 232: | ||
| 28 | | 28 | ||
| SA3 | | SA3 | ||
| ^Fx | |||
| 564.87 | | 564.87 | ||
| 25/18 | | 25/18 | ||
| Line 211: | Line 239: | ||
| 29 | | 29 | ||
| sA5 | | sA5 | ||
| vA# | |||
| 799.33 | | 799.33 | ||
| 35/22, 100/63 | | 35/22, 100/63 | ||
| Line 217: | Line 246: | ||
| 30 | | 30 | ||
| A6 | | A6 | ||
| B# | |||
| 1033.79 | | 1033.79 | ||
| 20/11 | | 20/11 | ||
| Line 223: | Line 253: | ||
| 31 | | 31 | ||
| SA7 | | SA7 | ||
| ^Cx | |||
| 68.25 | | 68.25 | ||
| 25/24 | | 25/24 | ||
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== Chords == | == Chords == | ||
11-limit rodan contains [[essentially tempered | 11-limit rodan contains [[essentially tempered chord]]s of the commas 245/243, 385/384, 441/440, and 896/891. A list of 11-odd-limit [[dyadic chord|dyadically consonant chords]], both essentially tempered and essentially just, can be found at [[Chords of rodan]]. | ||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
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== Tunings == | == Tunings == | ||
=== Norm-based tunings === | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 7-limit norm-based tunings | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | | |||
! colspan="3" | Euclidean | |||
|- | |||
! Constrained | |||
! Constrained & skewed | |||
! Destretched | |||
|- | |||
! Tenney | |||
| CTE: ~8/7 = 234.4502{{c}} | |||
| CWE: ~8/7 = 234.4259{{c}} | |||
| POTE: ~8/7 = 234.4168{{c}} | |||
|} | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 11-limit norm-based tunings | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | | |||
! colspan="3" | Euclidean | |||
|- | |||
! Constrained | |||
! Constrained & skewed | |||
! Destretched | |||
|- | |||
! Tenney | |||
| CTE: ~8/7 = 234.4628{{c}} | |||
| CWE: ~8/7 = 234.4594{{c}} | |||
| POTE: ~8/7 = 234.4587{{c}} | |||
|} | |||
=== Tuning spectrum === | === Tuning spectrum === | ||
{{See also| Slendric #Tuning spectrum }} | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-4 left-5" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-4 left-5" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! Edo<br>generator | ||
! [[Eigenmonzo|Unchanged interval<br>(eigenmonzo)]] | ! [[Eigenmonzo|Unchanged interval<br>(eigenmonzo)]] | ||
! Generator (¢) | ! Generator (¢) | ||
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[[Category:Rodan| ]] <!-- main article --> | [[Category:Rodan| ]] <!-- main article --> | ||
[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]] | [[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]] | ||
[[Category:Gamelismic clan]] | |||
[[Category:Sensamagic clan]] | [[Category:Sensamagic clan]] | ||
[[Category: | [[Category:Hemifamity temperaments]] | ||